Open letter to Planeshift Team and to players

[Nurahk]

Holding control and scrolling will change the font size, atleast on Firefox Windows it does.

And the "prevailing attitude among many in game" would be the whining.  You share the attitude, atleast from what I can gather.
I'd like to point out it was you who came here complaining, don't make it look like you are the victim now

[Garon]

Garon, I understand what you are saying, and for the most part, it's a good point.  But the devs can't trust everybody, and to trust one player over another player would be looked upon as favouritism.  And looking in to how everybody got the tria they had is unrealistic.  The wipe is all they could do.

And I do not see Venge's comment implying either of those things, I believe you are looking to much into it, Garon.  The tone to me is annoyed and, after this thread, who can blame him?

Nobody can blame him for being annoyed; much of the thread was complaints about communication without any suggestion of solutions or volunteering to take their place.  If I were in his place, I'd be annoyed too.

Perhaps I am looking too much into it, but that's what I first saw when looking at it with a neutral position--it seemed to be accusing any who hadn't sided with the Devs completely of being those with illicitly gained resources who wanted to keep them.  I realize that they can't trust everybody or one player over another, and (again) I'm not disputing that the wipe was necessary, I support the wipe just as much as you do--just not the way that the announcements were written and how the player community responded to those who didn't necessarily support the wipe as much as everyone else.

Maybe we're tired of having our posts dissected so much too?  There's no way I'm toning or watering down everything I say on this forum just in case someone has a crisis and misinterprets one of my sentences. So I'm personally asking you to stop your searching, especially after I have already told you that your concerns about being lumped into a cheater group are unwarranted.

Having what you say dissected is, unfortunately, what happens to those in power in any system where someone who can dissect what they say--looking for hidden meanings and ideas into the person themselves is often done.  But, since you've asked, I will stop.  And I had no concerns of being lumped in--your posts have done enough to assure me that is not the case; my concerns were with the communication itself, which could have been misinterpreted towards lumping in.  Also, I apologize if I annoyed you.

[Nurahk]

I understand what you are saying, Garon.  And I agree, it could have been handled better.
But, I don't see any reason why it should.  The wipe was necessary and, if anything, helped the game.  And players complain.  No matter how Venge had phrased the announcement, self-important people would still complain.
It's kind of disheartening to think that the players respect and trust the Devs so much that they need a PR guy to write their posts.

[zanzibar]

Zanz even when we are right. they think we are wrong, for the most part anyway. Even when what we have said turns out to be exactly what the problem was. we are wrong. We are wrong. we are chattel we are just wrong. I have accepted it. and I am not complaining. it is just an attempt to give some insight is all and I was asked to explain. I did.

I don't think it's so black and white.  It's unfortunate if that has been your experience.

[Garon]

And players complain.  No matter how Venge had phrased the announcement, self-important people would still complain.
It's kind of disheartening to think that the players respect and trust the Devs so much that they need a PR guy to write their posts.

Ahh, but had Venge phrased the announcement in a better way, those self important people would have much less ground for complaining.  And yes, it is kind of disheartening--but, as I said before, I can't go either way on the Devs until I've seen their workings more clearly (and learn to trust them--I respect them already, as I can appreciate the complexity of this game), and perhaps I was playing devils advocate on this post, perhaps I wasn't--after all, for every horse of institution, there should be a gadfly, biting at it and getting it to move.  I certainly wouldn't have started the post myself in order to mention the issues of wording that I did bring up, but it seemed like an appropriate place to do so.

[Nurahk]

Those self-important people didn't have any ground

But, I understand where you are coming from.  More edging the Devs to better themselves than you are putting them down.  And I respect that.

I think we can lay this thread to rest now, though.  All that there is to be said has been said.  And most of us are still in good standing

[zanzibar]

When one plays devil's advocate, it is advisable to say so.

[Garon]

When one plays devil's advocate, it is advisable to say so.

Which completely defeats the entire point of playing devil's advocate.  If one says beforehand "Oh, and I'm going to play devil's advocate now", people stop paying attention to them immediately.  Believe me, I've tried it more then once--you get responses of "Oh don't", or people don't pay any attention.

I think we can lay this thread to rest now, though.  All that there is to be said has been said.

Yes, it should be lain to rest.  I doubt there's anything else that can be said while being incredibly constructive.  This post included in "not being incredibly constructive" of course.

[zanzibar]

Which completely defeats the entire point of playing devil's advocate.  If one says beforehand "Oh, and I'm going to play devil's advocate now", people stop paying attention to them immediately.  Believe me, I've tried it more then once--you get responses of "Oh don't", or people don't pay any attention.

Hmm.  Not in my experience.

[neko kyouran]

Please direct your attention here:

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27428.msg311592#msg311592

Read it and follow it.

Thank you.

EDIT.  Page has been updated.  Please give it a read.  (update is at the bottom of the page.)