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« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2003, 02:13:02 pm »
I\'m fine with showing 500 channels of moronic drivel 24x7, whether it is just stupid, violent, sexual or whatever.  What I don\'t like is when I\'m watching some show like a football game and the *previews* for upcoming shows show the worst parts of those shows to get people interested.  It doesn\'t affect me personally (much), but my 4 yr old son of the future shouldn\'t have to see that if we\'re just trying to watch the football game.

The other issue, however, is that like with the so-called Digital Divide, there is become a Brains Divide.  The dumb people in America are getting dumber and the smart ones are getting smarter.

Dumb shows in Top 20 ratings:

SURVIVOR:PEARL ISLAND
TWO AND A HALF MEN
FEAR FACTOR
KING OF QUEENS
STILL STANDING
TRISTA AND RYAN\'S WEDDING
ACCORDING TO JIM
BECKER

Smart Shows with Smart Characters in Top 20:

CSI: MIAMI
CSI
EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND
COLD CASE
LAW AND ORDER
LAW AND ORDER:SVU
NAVY NCIS
LAW AND ORDER:CRIMINAL INTENT
SIMPSONS

CSI, CSI:Miami and Cold Case are by the same team.  All 3 Law and Order shows are by the same team.  So basically most of the smart tv on the broadcast networks is very concentrated in just a couple of scripting teams.  People are starved for intelligence, which is why the smartest shows are the also the highest rated.

Too bad there are also a lot of burger flippers who jack up the ratings of shows like According to Jim.

There\'s my theory. :-)

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« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2003, 03:40:29 pm »
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SURVIVOREARL ISLAND
TWO AND A HALF MEN
FEAR FACTOR
KING OF QUEENS
STILL STANDING
TRISTA AND RYAN\'S WEDDING
ACCORDING TO JIM
BECKER

Smart Shows with Smart Characters in Top 20:

CSI: MIAMI
CSI
EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND
COLD CASE
LAW AND ORDER
LAW AND ORDER:SVU
NAVY NCIS
LAW AND ORDER:CRIMINAL INTENT
SIMPSONS
 


Survivor-Whoever came up with that should die.
King of Queens- Kevin James, hilarious.

The Law and Order shows are definently the best shows on TV right now, I\'m actually asking for the SVU DVD boxset for Christmas.

And how did the Simpsons get on the smart list?  I mean I love the Simpsons...but I\'d hardly classify it under the same intelligence rating as the Law and Order series.

FantasyFiend- I don\'t remember ever calling you a fascist but if that\'s how you interpret it, then so be it.  Anyway I say we just agree to disagree because I don\'t see this discussion ending.  But before that just let me comment on a few things.

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Potterymaking, Going to concerts, have sex with teenagers


What about those people who\'s hobby is TV.  Or how about this, which bands are popular, how do you know about them?  TV. But the way you are putting this all out, you want to change how people live.  Maybe this isn\'t your intention but that is exactly what you are saying.  You believe that every should stop watching TV and pursue hobbies.  It\'s not your life, and does it hurt you? No.[/COLOR]

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« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2003, 05:37:35 pm »
Frankly, I don\'t CARE which bands are popular. I decide for myself what music I like, not that damn box. I hear something I like, and I listen to it. Unlike the sad few who sit at the edge of their seats waiting for the next big boy band, or the next punkest thing. I listen to older music, but I do listen to the White Stripes and some Gorillaz when the mood takes me. I find most modern bands to be pathetically lacking. Musically, and characteristaclly. All the vocals and stylings sound the same as every other band. I

Yes, I would agree that our opinions are differant. I don\'t think people should persue a hobby, per se. I think that people who have nothing better in their life to do then stare at a box that dribbles nonsense should go out and get a life. I know, since I don\'t have one. But I don\'t fill the void with that slime. I try to fill it with taking classes and trying to better myself intellectually. It doesn\'t pass for a life, but that\'s something I\'m trying to work on.

And again, you didn\'t read my post. I said for people to get a life, and the choices they make don\'t effect me. I posted that already.

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A bad life is better than no life at all. They choose their lives, they live it. Not me, so I don\'t see why I have to swallow and accept bitter pills that I don\'t need


I don\'t care what people do with their life. I find it sad that they would do things like base what\'s real by what they see on Empty-V or Jerry Springer. As far as people becoming zombies to capitalism, they bombard people with so many commercials that they become unseeing of the stupidity of it. Do you remember those pots with the siv lid? Remember the commercial where the mom is fighting a siv, while the ungrateful family are voicing their protest loudly? The father tapping his watch, keeping the \"Woman\" on a schedule? What bothers me is when they try and get me to believe that that family is going to improve from a pot with holes in it. Was it a good product? Maybe, I haven\'t tried it. Should it be marketted? Why not, someone might like it. Should they act like everyone\'s family is ungrateful and driven by some stereotype of a dominant male? Hell no. I get tired with stupidity and stereotypes of what the world is being crammed down my throat.

And yes, I do interpret you calling me a fascist. You put words in my mouth that I want people to dress, act, and watch the same thing. If you meant something else, then I certainly missed it.

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The way you\'ve argued, it seems that everyone should watch a certain show, dress a certian way, like certain things. they should all be squeaky clean.


It sounds like your calling me a fascist. That or a prude.

I don\'t expect people to be anything, other than what they are. If you think me having hopes for a better world is expecting too much, then I\'m sorry you expect me to just lay down and accept the world as it is. If that happened, we never would have reached the Rennaisance. If we just accepted everything for the way it was and not what it could be, then as far anyone knew the world would still be flat. I don\'t demand people to change. I urge them to try something new. Something I\'m starting to take steps in myself.

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« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2003, 07:41:23 pm »
Before this goes any further, I better wipe some of the mud away.

Aender, Sorry about the animosity. But being seen as some vicious dictator like mind was offending. You are right on several degree\'s. However I stand on my thoughts that there are better things to do then television. I think it\'s waste of time. Still, I think that it has some good shows. Most of it I don\'t like, and don\'t watch. If you do, hey, that\'s your choice. I don\'t care, because it\'s not my mind. You can\'t have a constant hobby, there\'s nothing wrong with sitting down to something once in a while, but as I see it, someone who sits in front of it from dawn till dusk need to get out and find something to do.

I still need to find something to do to develop a life. I have a bad habit of seeing society as cockroaches, but\'s it hard not to when media portrays society as that. I guess television has swayed opinions of mine, but in the differant direction. Instead of considering that normal and accepting it, I consider it normal and despise it. However, I am working on it. If I actually got out of my comfort zone and met real people instead of despicable money whores that I\'ve misunderstood \"normal\" people to be. God I must seem like an ass right about now.

Anyway, one of my friends in my Visual Basics class might be calling this weekend. I can\'t even remember the last time I expected a call. That sucks. Oh well, things are looking better. Now I just need to find a good hobby and maybe a girlfriend. I think that\'s what my real problem is. Some people don\'t have lives, so they spend it infront of a box. I spent it despising said box.

I think it was the legendary Vincent Price who once said something to the effect of Boredom is the eighth Deadly Sin. I think that\'s true. When you got nothing better to do, you don\'t fill that with anything better for you.

Anyway, television is degraded at times. Yes. It has some good traits. Yes again. Does it matter what crap is being filtered through that screen? Not really, because I got more important things to do than mince at an inanimate object.

The most intelligent show...hmm..can\'t say I know too many. FLCL is confusing, but I don\'t think that really counts as smart. I don\'t watch many crime dramas, where the most intelligent television seems to be. Mystery Science Theater was pretty clever. Funny as Hell too. Crank Yankers & South Park? I guess they\'re OKAY. They can be funny when they\'re not trying to be overbearingly offensive. My favorite South Park was when Cristopher Reaves regained strength from Stem Cells. It was pretty funny. Crank Yankers is funny sometimes, stupid at others (Mostly others).

True. The smart get smarter. The dumb get dumber. Too bad television has to reflect that as well. Shows that mean to have value are getting better at finding interesting subjects while shows centered around genitals (aka Jackass, Real World, Survivor). The people behind Jack Ass must have some gay issues to work out, because some how or the other they end up in something skimpy and/or something about their crotch. Hopefully they\'ll sustain enough damage not to reproduce. Whatever. My backs to the screen anyway. Computer at my house faces away from the television (thankfully).

As for God wiping out the Human race, not really. He gave them a second chance. He almost  wiped out the race. Destroyed all those sinful people (those were the days...). Actually, in a strange observation, many cultures have their version of Noah\'s Ark, so I\'m wondering if God saved more than just Noah, to stop inbreeding.

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« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2003, 10:08:40 pm »
Ya know what?  I play PS becuase there\'s smart people here.  All the ppl in my age group (besides my fellow geeks) are idiots, or obsessed with fashion, or something else that seems very trivial to me.  It\'s really sad how most of them say \"F* school\" and the like, TV is partly responsible, but really popular culture is.  (I hear in France teens take their education seriously, the French Propaganda Machine must be very powerful :P)
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« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2003, 11:44:27 pm »
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Actually, in a strange observation, many cultures have their version of Noah\'s Ark, so I\'m wondering if God saved more than just Noah, to stop inbreeding.


Well that\'s because the first half of the Old Testament was borrowed from other religions.  Well not borrowed...evolved from other religions.  Judaism started as a break away religion...much as Christianity did with Judaism.  But again, a different discussion.

The point I have been trying to make is that just because someone watches a few hours of TV a day, doesn\'t mean that they are wasting their life.  I mean if a person spends 5 hours a day in class, then works at night, I think they are entitled to crashiing on the couch and zoning out in front of the TV.  Sure if someone wakes up at 3 in the afternoon and watches TV until they go to bed, they need some help.  But if anyone watches less than 5 hours of TV a day, they are obviously doing something else with their life.

As far as music goes, MTV has little effect on me.  I am a big supporter of the local punk band scene here in Savannah.  In my opinion there haven\'t been any really good punk bands since the late 70s (Ramones, Sex Pistols, Generation X, Clash) Metal and rock has slowed down as well.  Boy bands were just a creation to make money for big corporations.  You think BSB and N\'sync would have made as big as they did if they were all over weight old guys?  Don\'t think so.

South Park is great because they find ways to poke fun of society and still have it be funny as hell.  Crank yankers is one of the worst shows on TV.  FLCL is.....strange.

I hated school.  I used to say F* school everyday.  But I was going to an all boys military school, so it was very hard for me.  I still do say F* that school.....god I hate that school.

I watch maybe anywhere between 6 to 10 hours of TV a day.  I go to classes in the morning.  I don\'t have a job yet but I am working on that.  If I did my hours of TV would be cut in half.  But that\'s a lot of TV a day.  Am I a zombie?  No.  I listen to my own music, on occasion I will see some band on TV or here a song that I like.  I invented my own sense of fashion, though my sister calls me a pretty boy, because I care about how I look.  I still won\'t conform to mainstream fashion.  Direct me to the Goodwill, give me 20 bucks and I will be in heaven.

You see.  I\'m not a zomb, asshole, or degraded, yet I watch a hell of a lot of TV.  Actually I don\'t think I realized how much I watched until now.  Will I stop? No.  It\'s not hurting me, I\'m still the same person I always was.  If TV takes hold of a person\'s life, it is their fault.[/COLOR]

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« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2003, 12:36:04 am »
i haven\'t read all of the posts, cause this has blown up, but i\'d like to say my previous idea about fantasyfiend has changed I have to say he\'s a far stronger man than I because risk of pregnancy and desease just isn\'t enough to detur me from sex. I just use condoms...and prayer.

I worry about how I look alot...so much i don\'t want to messup on whats in fashion for me so my cusin helps me out. I buy a new pair of shoes every month, it would be everyday if i could manage it into my budget(i don\'t make enough money yet) I stay G-ed up with everything from Phat Pharm to FUBU, but occasionaly I pimp it out with some brown milk leather or a jean suit.


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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2003, 12:40:55 am »
But then again, thats 6 to 10 less hours you have...
But that\'s what you want to do with your time. Personally, I just don\'t watch TV because of the time it takes and that theres more fun stuff I could be doing.

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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2003, 03:52:34 am »
But it doesn\'t control my life.  If a friend calls me up and wants to hang out, I\'ll turn off the TV and go.  Or if I have schoolwork to do I\'ll turn it off and get to work.  But if I don\'t find anything better to do I watch TV.

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« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2003, 04:20:40 am »
hmm fantasy, just saw the thread, dont visist the plaza much, i completly agree, it seems barberic in my mind but thats there matter not mine, i just found out a day or two ago my cable had been unhooked for a month, but i really dont care except for peridical animes i want to watch i have dvd\'s and kazza what else need i to see the decent things.

but i wont slander them if they want to see that thats there thing, its kinda like my views on school \"clicks\" and all, but thats another thread of a story =).


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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2003, 04:37:50 am »
Like I said, Aender, it\'s not up to me to judge what you do with your time, especially if I don\'t know what you do with your time. I\'m just saying what I do.
Some shows are just great, like Simpsons and South Park. My brother and I download these ones on our computers. It works out great, you always have a choice as to which one you are watching.

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« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2003, 04:54:31 am »
I havnt stopped to read ALL the posts but most of them. And i find that this is more of a \"What is Morally Correct in the Eyes of the World\" discussion. People define morals based on what they are taught to think is right and wrong or what they have aquired from experiance. Most people base morals on religion while others base it on independent studies. Basically what is RIGHT and what is Wrong? Only you can decide what is morally acceptable and what isn\'t.

I agree murder is wrong, only because it causes harm to another person. But screaming at the top of your lungs telling someone to Die is OK. Your not causing harm to anyone, just expressing yourself verbally. Everyone is entitled to oppinions and free expression. This applies to television as well. If the majority didn\'t want it, it wouldn\'t be there. Therefore the shows mentioned starting this thread are not hurting anyone, only a way to express intrest in the views of the people.

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« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2003, 07:57:25 am »
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 A bad life is better than no life at all.


I had no original intention to touch this thread...but I have to say something. I do not believe in the term \"you have no life\". EVERYONE that has a body, a brain, a beating heart, a soul and spirit, has a life. It doesnt matter whether their life is as simple as watching tv all day, begging for change in a dirty allyway, or working on the latest life changing invention of the century! It\'s a life, no matter how small, how \"pathetic\" (which is solely your opinion) it is, it is still a life...

You would probably think someone who lives in a cheap apartment, comes home from work and watches tv and plays video games then goes to sleep, has a pretty stupid life. But maybe you should think about it a bit more. Maybe thats all that person wanted out of his/her life, nothing big to brag about, nothing great and grand, just a practicle and simple life that they might be happy with. And as has been stated in previous posts, doing watever you want is only wrong when it interferes with anothers free will, as they have the same rights.
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« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2003, 05:22:14 pm »
thank you princess for saying it. Some people just dont want to be elite and search for a grand standing in life.
all life is equaly valueable to god... only society places classes on everything
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