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[Seytra]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Do you honestly think the people of the United States would give up their weapons that easyily?

No, but you could always gradually restrict them to less powerful arms and keep doing so until they\'re completely outlawed. This tactic is employed by governments all over the world for everything the public doesn\'t like, and the public just keeps falling for it.

Originally posted by Hatchnet
If the US tried to outlaw firearms we would have civil war for that very reason. And you aparently have not lived in any areas were the local law enforcement cannot be trusted.

Luckily, no.

Originally posted by Hatchnet
There are many places in the rural US were the difference between cop and criminal is almost nonexistant. I have had the missfortune of liveing in such a place and many of the people, both good and bad, I have talked to while there can attest to the fact that to make a complaint is to put oneself at great pesonal risk.

But did your guns actually do any good with that? If they did, I will admit that there is dire need to clean up the law enforcement department big time before this can be enacted. If they didn\'t, however, it might even be better because there is a chance that the untrustworthy law enforcement might at least have less of a chance of using them as well, if they\'d be restricted for the police as well (which they should be).
It is sad that such places actually exist outside movies.

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Also if you take the weapons out of the hands of the populace and the government still has them how are the people to protect their rights?

Well, they are supposed to be protected by the government. If the government doesn\'t want you to have these rights, they could use the method above to remove these rights from you, so you\'d end up defending nothing anyway.

[Hatchnet]

Can you honestly belive any of what you just said. some of the dumbest people I know would not fall for that and yes for those people who are forced to defend themselves from the law enforcment guns and other weapons do serve them in their plight. However the greatest weapon of all is not a gun it is not a bomb it is a persons willingness to fight for what they belive in as long as their spirit holds no one will simply sit back and allow their rights to be taken away. I know many people here in my current community who would take up arms at the slightest change in the laws that would allow their rights to be taken away. So I say right know though I do not care for weapons such as firearms if you try to start to take them away I will be one of the first to stand up to stop you. Why? Because it is what I belive is right that is why.

[Seytra]

I see entire nations fall for things like that on a monthly basis. Indeed it is political apathy that\'s going to take our rights away eventually.

Originally posted by Hatchnet
So I say right know though I do not care for weapons such as firearms if you try to start to take them away I will be one of the first to stand up to stop you.

Even if it were ensured that the law enforcement is actually enforcing the law, not abusing their power?

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Why? Because it is what I belive is right that is why.

As can be seen from my posts, I don\'t think that holding guns is a right people should have. If anything, it is a sad necessity if the country isn\'t able to run itself properly (thus I accept the use of guns if law enforcement itself is corrupt.). But once this is resolved, there is no need for guns anymore (except for special forces).

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Seytra
I see entire nations fall for things like that on a monthly basis. Indeed it is political apathy that\'s going to take our rights away eventually.

Originally posted by Hatchnet
So I say right know though I do not care for weapons such as firearms if you try to start to take them away I will be one of the first to stand up to stop you.

Even if it were ensured that the law enforcement is actually enforcing the law, not abusing their power?

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Why? Because it is what I belive is right that is why.

As can be seen from my posts, I don\'t think that holding guns is a right people should have. If anything, it is a sad necessity if the country isn\'t able to run itself properly (thus I accept the use of guns if law enforcement itself is corrupt.). But once this is resolved, there is no need for guns anymore (except for special forces).

And those Americans that would fight for their rights would not put away what is no longer needed at the moment. Our for fathers saw that the need for the populace to defend itself would arise again that is why we have the seconed amendment garanteeing our right to keep and bear arms. \"A ready millitia\" is what it is called that keeps our millitary and our government in check apopulace ready to defend its rights from the greedy, the power hungry, and the corrupt. America will fall to itself before it follows the path of Rome and becomes and empire; that my friend is the true power of those that love their fellow man enough to give their lives for his freedom. That is why though evils the like of greed and corruption must one day bring down the demacracys and republics of the world those men of true and just ideals those men who are not apothetic will throw down their lives to prevent the mistakes of the past from comeing back to haunt us. And as I said I will be one of those men.

Remember Seytra it only takes a single spark to start a fire and fires will always burn in the hearts and minds of just people.

[Harkin]

here in the USA everyone and their crazy 94 year old grandma has a gun, even now people can legally buy AK-47\'s, AR-15\'s an the like for around $200... banning a gun here is useless... because there are also a lot of hunting... and that breaks a whole new playing field... I myself own on weapon... a 75lb. Recurve Longbow... I havent been able to hunt in a while... but guns are way too widespread... and if you think a big city is bad... look to the south... eveyone has some form of a sawed off shotgun and a hunting rifle.

[Ionas]

Hatchnet, lets be realistic. If a civil war would ever occur in the us than the militias wouldn\'t stand a chance against the military. Only if the military would be split or neutral the militias would make a difference.
Also its easy to state one would fight for his/her beliefs if things degrade. But to actually do it in a war is completely different. War is something one has to live through to know what that person would do. War is very ugly business.

About your sig. Even though it was not meant that way i think it would make a good comment in favor of euthanasia.

[leji]

Guns to defend your rights... come on guys ... just look at what\'s happening in Ukrainia, everything you need to get rid of the guns is there !