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Neo Neko

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« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2005, 09:53:29 pm »
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The naming rules will not change, that I can say with near certainty. There will be no Ranma Skywalkers in Planeshift. They may be fine-tuned and added to so that problems like these will not arise (i.e., the rules will be more detailed with time), but your proposal of an \"open\" fantasy will not take place, because that is not what Planeshift is.


Honestly I think the rules are probably fine. So changing is not strictly necessary. But clarrification etc is all I have ever really been after. But it is still kind of odd you claim to know what planeshift is/will be when you yourself admit that it is incomplete. Calling it \"pre-alpha\" in a later portion of your post.

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Your immediate response, of course: Who the hell am I to stay what Planeshift is or isn\'t. Yet some have been here a \"little\" longer and have become aware of the way Planeshift works.


Time can obscure things as well as give insight. Don\'t use the \"we have been here longer so we know how things are.\" argument. It is a double egded sword. I have been in many communities a very long time. Yet I am still learning from them. And I have seen fellow long time members really go awry after they get some skewed vision of how things are. The old expression you can\'t see the forrest for the trees can easily become aplicable in these cases.

At any rate I have followed planeshift for 4 or 5 years now IIRC. I may have not been the most active person and I may have only just registered for the forrum. Don\'t go thinking I am a total newb.

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As it has been stated before - uncomfortable with the rules? Feel free to spend your time elsewhere. This has been told many times to many different people, and all without any problems or regret.


Untill I see it official I can\'t accept the claims of the few that think they know better than everyone else. No matter how bad their intentions are.

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This does not mean that it is in the interest of the devs (and the Planeshift world) to attract all types of users. Hack\'n\'slash users will not be welcome, nonRP users will not be welcome, etc., etc.


I\'m sorry again I can\'t take the words of biggots as the official stand of the devs. Untill words of equal or similarly bigotry appear on the front/register pages of the official project site I can\'t accept your claims as anything more than you bigoted views. And before you get all upset at my heavy use of the word biggot here it is very aplicable. Others and now your very own words have show classic signs of biggotry, If that disturbs you then change your ways. But don\'t hate the messenger. Becuase there will be others. Honestly up till now I had a bit of respect for you. Elsewhere you seem a bit of a nice person who is willing to help. But that image is now beyond tarnished.

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Pre-alpha, actually. There will indeed be a character wipe \"soon,\" and by that time hopefully the rules will be made clearer within the client itself. I, personally, don\'t see the point of you arguing in all this :)


I argue the point because seytra felt the need to argue it. Honestly had it not been for seytra I was more or less done with the thread long ago. And at this time since I think we have deviated from the original thread enough I would like to ask a mod to split and or lock the thread. My point is out there. I am satisfied with that. I think leaving this open will only continue to tarnish the reputation of some of the forrums more visible and possibly respected members. Whether or not I respect them.

Don\'t get me wrong I will still debate this if someone is really interested in such debate. But I feel some are to close to the issue and it could well deteriorate into a flame fest quite easily.

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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2005, 09:58:38 pm »
I trust the development team is reading this thread with keen interest.  This is definitely a discussion between autocrats and people with more liberal ideas.
I truly believe the developers are doing this \"labor of love\" for the enjoyment of others, and not for their own selfish interests.  As I would think, the greatest reward for their work would be for more and more people to appreciate and benefit from it.  If this were not the case, this would be a closed game and joining would be by invite only, and maybe Seytra, you would have you own little retreat for you and your friends to role play in your own way.
I also think that unless the naming rules are kept reasonable as originally intended, (not a GM\'s interpretation) this game will never grow.  But I think that is what you are really trying to achieve, Seytra.
This weekend, i noticed the max on line was approximately 60 people.   60 People in the whole world!  I will not mention other game names, but the ones I checked had a lot more people online.  Why is that?
Maybe they like the game conditions better than PS and are willing to pay to get the name that suits them or the more common interpretation of role play.  Most of us \"fools\" play the games because they are fun, not because we have to listen to a bunch of dominating GM\'s telling us what we can and can not do.  A GM even threatened me in a thread.  If the developers do not want something to exist;  put it in the code.  Do not leave it up to hit and miss attitudes in game play.

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No, in PS, I prefer to roleplay, which is what PS is about, actually.

You keep using the term \"role play.\" You do not need skill attributes, or a graphical setting.  Why do you not make yourself an irc channel, dress up in your dominatrix outfit and just sit there and role play with any one who is meek enough to join you?


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Did I say anthing else? No, I didn\'t. Yet, the PS team has set the rules which the GMs are enforcing.

The GM\'s are enforcing their interpretations, and they sometimes make mistakes they do not want to admit.  Like getting \"trigger happy\" with names.  I still see nothing wrong with \"Gunrod.\"  

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Indeed. You fail to see it because you are unable and unwilling to accept that your idea of PS is not only not mine, but also not the one of the PS team, which can be concluded from what they state on the mainsite.

More properly stated:
Indeed. You fail to see it because you are unable and unwilling to accept that your idea of PS is not only not mine, but also not the one of the PS team, which can be concluded from what {you understand}[/b]they state on the mainsite.
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« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2005, 10:08:41 pm »
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This does not mean that it is in the interest of the devs (and the Planeshift world) to attract all types of users. Hack\'n\'slash users will not be welcome, nonRP users will not be welcome, etc., etc.


I\'m sorry again I can\'t take the words of biggots as the official stand of the devs. Untill words of equal or similarly bigotry appear on the front/register pages of the official project site I can\'t accept your claims as anything more than you bigoted views.


Hahah! Honestly, you\'ve been following PS for 4-5 years now and you are still not aware of the fact that hack\'n\'slash and nonRP users are not the target audience? My god. Are you sure you were in the right IRC channel? :rolleyes:

I\'m definitely through with this discussion. Thanks for the entertainment :)
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« Reply #78 on: June 14, 2005, 12:03:01 am »
I must say that this is rather rediculous, everythiung that needed to be said has been said, yet you still argue.. ah well, can\'t be helped until this is deemed for closure

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« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2005, 12:23:00 am »
See, here is the perfect example.
This \"person\" has the title of Game Master, yet says foolish things.
You had nothing to offer to this thread, except criticism and ridicule.  At least I tried to offer examples and opinions of the thread in my posts.  And the other people with dissenting opinions had the courage to state them as such.
I do not know whose ass you kissed to get your position, but you are one of the most ignorant people I have ever met.
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« Reply #80 on: June 14, 2005, 01:13:22 am »
\"The GM\'s are enforcing their interpretations, and they sometimes make mistakes they do not want to admit. Like getting \"trigger happy\" with names.\"

That is why you take those matters privately to the admins. Because this is exactly how GMs are supposed to function- using their own judgement. If you don\'t like it, you take it higher, in a mature way (which I have yet to see happen, unfortunately).


\"You keep using the term \"role play.\" You do not need skill attributes, or a graphical setting. Why do you not make yourself an irc channel, dress up in your dominatrix outfit and just sit there and role play with any one who is meek enough to join you?\"

Ooooor he could roleplay in PS. PS is geared towards being RP-enforced; it may not be strict right now, but just you wait. Back in MB, there was absolutely no excuse for OOC talk whenever Talad was online, he just wouldn\'t have it, unless you used parenthesis or brackets. And what Talad says, goes- whether some people like it or not. It\'s his game, his dream, his creation. It\'ll be played how he wants. This might make it sound restrictive, but it\'s not. There will be things for hack\'n\'slashers to do. There will be crafting for people who would rather craft. There will be merchants and traders and animal trainers, and they will all be able to play PS and achieve the same levels of success as their peers, just in different ways. But there will NOT be any support for people who want to spend their time shouting about last night\'s football matches, running around with their \"Morpheus Matrix\" characters like they have nothing to do with Yliakum. Hack\'n\'slash is just the profession of a soldier- OOC powergamers are not welcome and never will be.


\"If the developers do not want something to exist; put it in the code. Do not leave it up to hit and miss attitudes in game play.\"

That\'s impossible. Let me grab an explainatory quote for you: \"Only morons could uncover some of this crap because right thinking people don\'t dismount their swoop while trying to call a pet going into a Krayt spawn with orange hotpants AND trying to compose a new email at the same time.\" As this hopefully highlights, we can\'t possibly think of EVERYTHING the general public might come up with that could be unsuitable. The rules are guidelines, and then GMs enforce them on a case-by-case basis. As Karyuu says, this has+will NEVER change.


\"As it has been stated before - uncomfortable with the rules? Feel free to spend your time elsewhere. This has been told many times to many different people, and all without any problems or regret.\"

Neko wanted to hear this stated officially, so here you are. Karyuu is completely right. If you don\'t like it, go. We get to keep the pick of the crop; the mature, intelligent people who can see why rules are needed and how RP must be enforced just like anything else. The bad apples who can\'t stand this won\'t be missed, and we don\'t need to beg them to stay or make compromises to accomodate them.


\"This weekend, i noticed the max on line was approximately 60 people.  60 People in the whole world! I will not mention other game names, but the ones I checked had a lot more people online. Why is that?\"

Well its certaintly not because of naming rules. We may rename tens of people every day, but we get hundreds of visitors in that time. And then, only a couple of the people we rename have any problem with it at all. No, the reason we don\'t have many people online at a time is because there is nothing to keep them ingame. Quests broken, monster spawns disappearing, awkward movement, etc. It\'s not fun as a game. But again, those who see past it, stay. Those who understand and accept the naming policy, stay. Those are the people we want here, and those are the people that have stayed in the past, that are here with us now.


Anyway, I totally agree with Zayek, this needs to be closed. And Teegress: cut the personal insults, will you? Zayek is hardly the most mature person here, but his maturity has by far been proven above yours in recent events.