[Guild] The Hydlaa Arena

[Phinehas]

Yeah, I know... but still the "we can do what we want and if you don't like it, ignore it" is a dangerous path to go down...

[Eliseth]

Ok Phinehas, point taken. Perhaps my words were not chosen as carefully as they should have been. This isn't a case where we can work with absolutes such as "like it or ignore it". I'm going to completely contradict myself here and say that it is almost impossible to ignore it anyway. If two people occupy the same space, the one will inevitably affect the other, the same goes for groups of people. I think Phinehas is right in that RPers can discuss the details of the guild, but I don't think these arguments have any need to become aggressive, which they have done already. We appreciate those who have highlighted concerns and who have suggested alternatives. We do not however, appreciate those who have come here simply to complain about it and leave it at that.

I honestly think the idea behind this guild is a good one, and unfortunately we will never be able to please everyone. Donari and I knew that this would cause and upset with some people, so I think we should be prepared to discuss it. And Phinehas, my comments on the previous post were mainly aimed at non RPers, but I don't think I made that very clear.

In closing, there isn't much we can do about the fact that we annoy some PLers, but since I'm an RP fanatic and Planeshift is meant to be an RP game, I have little sympathy. As for the RPers, please continue giving your input, and please don't take anything that our characters say IC personally, because I know Vencarias can be a bit hard sometimes, but thats his character.

As a last note, thank you to all the players who have given us some support in game, it does not go unnoticed, and we appreciate it greatly.

[Sangwa]

First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority(...)

Careful there. All players have the same right to enjoy the game the way they like best as long as they do not ruin it for others and respect the game rules. No priorities when it comes to whose fun comes first.

I'll use a very simple example: I want to play Magic the Gathering with someone. I find a partner, his name is Garror, but he tells me he doesn't want to use a Magic the Gathering deck, he wants to use a Pokemon deck. I tell him "No, can't do that. That's not playing Magic the Gathering!" to which he responds "Hey, let me play the game my way!" People who choose not to roleplay in a roleplay game are exactly like Garror; idiots.

Yeah, I know... but still the "we can do what we want and if you don't like it, ignore it" is a dangerous path to go down...

Phinehas is completely right. This is what I consider to be the worst disadvantage in "complementing the settings" and the reason why I believe the "Official Vibe" should be dispersed. Everything you do in PlaneShift should be capable of being roleplayed by everyone. And that is why we have settings.

In closing, there isn't much we can do about the fact that we annoy some PLers, but since I'm an RP fanatic and Planeshift is meant to be an RP game, I have little sympathy. As for the RPers, please continue giving your input, and please don't take anything that our characters say IC personally, because I know Vencarias can be a bit hard sometimes, but thats his character.

The trick is trying to please as many people as possible. In the Arena people are supposed to be attacking monsters at all time, so you need to take that into account instead of ignoring fighters and vice-versa. Another advantage for you would be trying to speak as little as possible about your relation to Gregori, and when doing so you should make it look like you're around helping and doing your own job, rather than sounding like you are responsible for the Arena itself.
The best thing would be to bring your guild to a GM and have him or her help you out with what is acceptable. GM's should be capable of doing that. If they are not, then file a complaint in the respective part of this forum.

[Dajoji]

First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority(...)

Careful there. All players have the same right to enjoy the game the way they like best as long as they do not ruin it for others and respect the game rules. No priorities when it comes to whose fun comes first.

I'll use a very simple example: I want to play Magic the Gathering with someone. I find a partner, his name is Garror, but he tells me he doesn't want to use a Magic the Gathering deck, he wants to use a Pokemon deck. I tell him "No, can't do that. That's not playing Magic the Gathering!" to which he responds "Hey, let me play the game my way!" People who choose not to roleplay in a roleplay game are exactly like Garror; idiots.

Camping, training, doing quests or dueling is not the same as using a "pokemon deck", those are all things supported by the game mechanics. Players who like to spend their in-game time doing only that are free to do so. Problems arise when people don't respect others and try to force them to play the game the way they do, and that can happen both ways.