The grand balance of good vs evil

[Hatchnet]

Pestilence stop trying to read what you want into everything and read things for what they mean will you.

That there are a few bad apples in ever bushel means just that (or at least it used to before modern thinking) you can't have perfection in anything. No perfect world and no world were every individual gets along perfectly with every one and every race/group.

Zanzibar I alway do, perhaps you should look at what I say means.

[Pestilence]

I am not but you are making something of it that it doesn't mean. You don't understand it yourself.

A few bad apples means you can't have perfection

This means translated to Planeshift that it can't be perfect. You will always have people who don't follow the rules.

Translated to Yliakum you can't have a perfect world so you shouldn't try to create one.

The point being is that imperfection only goes this far. Even when the apples aren't perfect they are still apples. They don't go as far as to become pears.

You can have evil persons and you can have murderers and conartists and whatnot. Those are bad apples, but not pears.

[Hatchnet]

I am not but you are making something of it that it doesn't mean. You don't understand it yourself.

A few bad apples means you can't have perfection

This means translated to Planeshift that it can't be perfect. You will always have people who don't follow the rules.

Translated to Yliakum you can't have a perfect world so you shouldn't try to create one.

The point being is that imperfection only goes this far. Even when the apples aren't perfect they are still apples. They don't go as far as to become pears.

You can have evil persons and you can have murderers and conartists and whatnot. Those are bad apples, but not pears.

Pestilence If you can have murderers, conartists, and thieves then why not someone who simply does not like another race for some reason. It is not a stretch it is simply individuality. People will always have different experiances, and sometimes these experiances will lead them to a belife that is not the norm or even accepted by others.

[Pestilence]

Again you show that you don't understand the discusion.

It might not be a stretch and perhaps it is very true it should be made possible in the setting, but the question isn't if the setting says it's possible or not. The question is what if the setting says it isn't possible? What if the setting says it doesn't happen? That a person will always look with things that happen at the person and not at his race.

The question isn't if you think it should be a rule or not. The question is how do you handle something like this when it is a rule.

[Hatchnet]

Again you show that you don't understand the discusion.

It might not be a stretch and perhaps it is very true it should be made possible in the setting, but the question isn't if the setting says it's possible or not. The question is what if the setting says it isn't possible? What if the setting says it doesn't happen? That a person will always look with things that happen at the person and not at his race.

The question isn't if you think it should be a rule or not. The question is how do you handle something like this when it is a rule.

Ya know I hate to be beating a dead horse here, but would you please reread all of my previous posts.

[Pestilence]

Why? I have told you this several times before as has Zanzibar. If you still don't get it then I'm sorry but then your not reading other peoples post and ignoring what they are saying. I think it's very hypocritical to be acusing others for not understanding you when you apperenly don't want to understand what other people are talking about. It's also very  to keep posting about it.

And also I asked before to explain what I was misunderstaning and you ignored it. So even if i do misunderstand you have only yourself to blame for it.

[neko kyouran]

I've been reading this thread since its begining now and this is my observationhere, so take it as you may, but I'm understanding Zanzi's and Pesti's posts alot more clearer than Hatch's.  I get what they are saying and their points made seem much more clear.  Don't take this the wrong way hatch, but I reread everything you wrote a few times now, and all I get out of is what has already been said by Zanzi and Pesti.  Maybe its your wording, I don't know, but if you mean something else than what you are typing......I'm confused.

[Hatchnet]

Pestilence you and Zanzibar were the ones who took this argument away from wether or not Racisim was against the settings to wether or not one should violate the settings. I have made it quite clear in a very large number of my posts that we should not go and outright violate the settings. If you are not going to even bother to read someones posts don't go calling them hypocrytical because their posts don't seem to mesh with what you think you are talking about.

@ Neko Mayby it's the way I think. Mayby it's the way they change subject and try to blamb it on someone else. Who knows.

[zanzibar]

Pestilence stop trying to read what you want into everything and read things for what they mean will you.

Maybe he's taking the meaning which is most obvious, and you just aren't communicating your ideas well enough?

That there are a few bad apples in ever bushel means just that (or at least it used to before modern thinking) you can't have perfection in anything. No perfect world and no world were every individual gets along perfectly with every one and every race/group.

I don't see how that's relevant.  At all.  So you're saying that I'm right, but just because I'm right doesn't mean everyone will respect the rules of the game?

Pestilence you and Zanzibar were the ones who took this argument away from wether or not Racisim was against the settings to wether or not one should violate the settings. I have made it quite clear in a very large number of my posts that we should not go and outright violate the settings. If you are not going to even bother to read someones posts don't go calling them hypocrytical because their posts don't seem to mesh with what you think you are talking about.

@ Neko Mayby it's the way I think. Mayby it's the way they change subject and try to blamb it on someone else. Who knows.

Actually, you've said that it's ok to violate the settings to some extent since the settings are only a suggestion (a guide).

[VMann]

Okay everybody, calm down.
Let's stop that "you don't understand me!" "you go off topic!" discussion, it won't bring us anywhere.
The only question here is: How strict is the guide meant?
And this question cannot be decided on by us, but only by the author.

[zanzibar]

I will believe I don't understand Hatchnet if he says such is the case.

[Hatchnet]

I will believe I don't understand Hatchnet if he says such is the case.

I belive I have already said so many times. I'm tired of this pointless bickering. Zanzibar just because I say the settings are a guid does not mean I am saying that it is okay to violate them.

The point is we both view the settings in different ways; so lets just agree to disagree alright?

[zanzibar]

I will believe I don't understand Hatchnet if he says such is the case.

I belive I have already said so many times. I'm tired of this pointless bickering. Zanzibar just because I say the settings are a guid does not mean I am saying that it is okay to violate them.

The point is we both view the settings in different ways; so lets just agree to disagree alright?

Bickering?  I agree that I don't understand what you're trying to say and I ask you to tell me... I give a possible interpretation, then you tell me I'm wrong... then you say to reread your posts...