Damascus steel

[Gyerfry Stoemsaber]

Or you could call it azurite, or metalinite. That was just me being wierd. These names just look cool. They mean pretty much nothing.

[Induane]

The texture can be done, though I wonder at how well it would show up on our tiny items.

It would be a good idea to simply overzoom the texture.  Detail is nice but you'd just have to make the details exaggeratedly large to have it show up I'll play with skinning one of my current weapons perhaps and see how it looks - but I am guessing it looks awesome.

[Hatchnet]

Uhhh guys for the grain of the metal to show up you have to "acid etch" it (Basicly dipping it in acid long enough to eat off the top layer of the metal) Whether or not this was a part of the original forging process of "Damascus steel" I can't say (at least not without seeing more examples) However if it was not a part of the origional process either they damaged a very valuable artifact to show the grain or that particular piece is a fake (note: when i say this it is because it is not necesary to reveal the grain to be able to see it since it shows up under certain types of radiation examination)

[zanzibar]

Recreations not fakes.

[bilbous]

Well slaves do have acid in their stomach...

[Xurtio]

I have friend who is a real-life metal smith and he order damascus.  It's really pretty and stable enough, but it's not by any means, the highest quality of metal.

Even if you add the ceremonial or magical aspects to it, I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) they weren't +3 weapons or anything, and that they were just used to sacrifice people (maybe they're the path between the mortals soul and the god taking the sacrifice, I don't know)

Anyway, here's the process for Damascus they use nowadays (according to my smithy friend who orders it):

They take two different alloys (the two different colors you see) and smash and fold and twist and curl them together, and basically beat the crap out of it anyway they can (contiuously folding it, so that you see the light/dark pattern of the two metals.  The 'spots' come from where they twisted or rolled the pieces, and then smashed and folded them into another piece of metal that's just folded.  Imagine the possibilities.

[Idoru]

They take two different alloys (the two different colors you see) and smash and fold and twist and curl them together, and basically beat the crap out of it anyway they can (contiuously folding it, so that you see the light/dark pattern of the two metals.  The 'spots' come from where they twisted or rolled the pieces, and then smashed and folded them into another piece of metal that's just folded.  Imagine the possibilities.

Yeah, you could do that with steel and silver, then think up a cool name........ maybe silverweave

[zanzibar]

I have friend who is a real-life metal smith and he order damascus.  It's really pretty and stable enough, but it's not by any means, the highest quality of metal.

That's because it's modern, not traditional.

[Nikodemus]

That's because it's modern, not traditional.

Do we really have pieces of true damascus steel so that it could have been checked its strenght? Btw, you do it by putting a special cutting (metal piece, best in form of a small standarised culinder helpful linky) into a special mashine, which is checking its durability on tearing, bending and similiar. The cutting is destroyed after this.
Had anyone done it?
IMHO it is possible damascus steel was more durable than normal steel, because at that time it wasn't hat good quality. Today steel may be really good quality and maybe damascus is worse compared to this?

[John80sk]

They take two different alloys (the two different colors you see) and smash and fold and twist and curl them together, and basically beat the crap out of it anyway they can (contiuously folding it, so that you see the light/dark pattern of the two metals.  The 'spots' come from where they twisted or rolled the pieces, and then smashed and folded them into another piece of metal that's just folded.  Imagine the possibilities.

That's just pattern welding...

[zanzibar]

Do we really have pieces of true damascus steel so that it could have been checked its strenght? Btw, you do it by putting a special cutting (metal piece, best in form of a small standarised culinder helpful linky) into a special mashine, which is checking its durability on tearing, bending and similiar. The cutting is destroyed after this.
Had anyone done it?
IMHO it is possible damascus steel was more durable than normal steel, because at that time it wasn't hat good quality. Today steel may be really good quality and maybe damascus is worse compared to this?

Did you read the links?

[Nikodemus]

Did you?

The only reference i could find was on the wiki, not the scentific article, which would be much better trustworthly source.
"Wootz swords were renowned for their sharpness and toughness."
So, i ask again, what make you think it is better than steel of today?

[zanzibar]

Did you?

Very mature.


Just google it.  There are tonnes of articles saying that wootz steel was used to make weapons far superior to the weapons made of modern damascus steel, but that the method for making the ancient style has been lost to time.

[Nikodemus]

Considering the fact first yo asked me to read links in this thread (what i did) and now you ask me to google as i did not find the answer makes me think that you indeed didn't read it, because you would point me to google in the first place. But it doesn't matter, I'm not here to argue...

In the last two posts i asked if damascus is better than steel of today and you are talking about something else.
I'm not interested in finding out if the original damascus is better than damascus imitation of today.
So, give the damn answer or stop pointing me to somewhere if you don't know yourself.
Since you were the one who said it should be /10 if implemented, i was interested what made you think it is 5 times as steel (in fact medieval steel, but as this is fantasy world and it is not exactly medieval with all its rules, i'm interested with comparison to modern steel, which may be better than once).
If you said it, i was hoping you know some articles from which you learned it^^.
If not, just say that you are in fact guessing everything and there is no logic in it.

[zanzibar]

When I first posted in the thread, I was going to post a bunch of links but I later decided against it and just posted a picture instead.  Blame my failing memory, not my intent.