Specific weapons requests

[ThomPhoenix]

* ThomPhoenix slaps himself on the head!

To my defense:
I have Latin class at school, so instead of seeing that and thinking "Hey, that's from Ceasar", I directly translated it into "And what about you?".
Hmm, I should've figured people don't usually use Latin in sentences for nothing...

* ThomPhoenix slaps himself again.

But to make it up:

You're special, you should get an avatar too! 

 

[Cherppow]

Hello,

Well, dev or not, I'm not here to kill the conversation, just taking part in it. And many good points have risen here. I'm not saying there shouldn't be exotic weapons (or other items) in PlaneShift, but that we should make our own exotic weapons, not copy someone elses.

PS. I also think that weapons don't exist because/if they're efficient, they exist because someone made them. And not all designs are that good. Quality weapons require quality materials, skill, and tools to make, that are not always available (or even existant). Especially in wartime you often have to use what you have, even if it wasn't too well suited for your situation. Weapons may get popular and more widely used if they're efficient, that I agree.

Regards,
 - Cherppow

[Protomaster]

Protein: in that case I'd like to request sword-chucks.

is it possible to have both exotic weapons based off the ones on our world (with apropriate backrounding and what not) and also exotic weapons of our own design?

it could be in measured amount I'd think more of the latter and less of the former.

besides that what's to stop us from designing exotic weapons based on weapons out here? for example a short sword with two blades or possibly two long swords chained together by the hilt? there could be vast possibilities.

[Nikodemus]

yeah, sure, why make weapon fast and effective, when you can make it heavy and same as effective, or in fact less effective, because so heavy. It's how thing like this one came to existance, when people let their imagination flow too much: ^^

[dying_inside]

yeah, sure, why make weapon fast and effective, when you can make it heavy and same as effective, or in fact less effective, because so heavy. It's how thing like this one came to existance, when people let their imagination flow too much: ^^

I think that Soul edge beats that to be honest....
Who could even pick up soul edge anyway? its bigger than nightmare himself!
Still, i cant help but love it.

[Xirr]

[...Good points]

One point i would add though, and one that seemingly has eluded the weapons designers of planeshift and virtually every other RPG ever made- in the real world(and i would suspect in any real world with thinking, adapting species that lacks firearms), the battlefield will ALWAYS be dominated by two weapons:

The bow, and the spear(thrown or thrust).

The reason for this is simple, as man has always sought to extend the reach of his arm beyond the limitations Nature has placed on us. Nowadays we epitomize this philosophy with thermonuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles and B-2 stealth bombers, but before the advent of the firearm, rocketry, and aircraft, the spear and the bow absolutely DOMINATED the field of battle. OK, so the spear is not the sexiest weapon, but it was clearly by far the most preferred because with a good spear you doubled(or more) the standoff range of that a sword could achieve.

 A sword was a gentlemen or nobleman's weapon, more a sign of status than anything else, and was really a weapon of last resort(for when your spear got broken or was lost), or one intended for dueling against a weapon of similar design.

 Even the legendary Samurai did not use the Sword as their primary weapon (naginata). Nor did the Romans(Pilum), English(Pike or Pole-arm), Greeks(Phalanx Spear), and so on down the line. The legendary European knights also did not employ the sword as their primary weapon, but instead used the lance for most mounted fighting. In reality it was not until the days of firearms that Cavalry's main melee weapon become the sabre(a weapon designed to fill a very specific role in it's own right, and one that has very specific properties as a result).

In melee combat, something along the lines of a five to six foot long spear with a 12-18" double-edged blade on either end would be very, very hard to beat. You certainly would never want to face a man(or feline) armed with one of those if all you had was a sword....and that's ANY sword!!!

[..continuation of good points...]

Sincethe beginning of history the throwing spear until the fall of the western Roman Empire, eggining of the Middle Ages, the Javelin/throwing spear was the most used weapon in the known world, even the Greek armies used a great number of skirmishers, In the roman army the only warrios who didn´t used javelins was the spear-armed triarius, The germanic and celtic  tribes went to war with 3-4 spears used for throwing and thrusting, -even the ones armed with claymores-. During the middle ages the thrusting spear replaced the javelin as the basic weapon on almost every army, being replaced by the alberd type of weapon by the time of the Reinassance.

My point is: How about the javelin? we should have at least a couple of javelin designs in Planeshift. They are ideal medium range weapons so i'm sure somewhere in the stone labirinths some race whould start throwing them over their own shock troops against the enemy. Or trow them at the distance to scare off the realy mean monsters, at least...

[Nikodemus]

Yeah, and near Javelins we should have just simple spears. I think the spears should be put in game before swords, because it is the spear, which was the first weapon in history and it was still used for very long time, along the swords.

[Under the moon]

Following that, I would like to say that the simple axe was also more useful than swords. This was due to several reasons. One was that an axe is relitively simple to make, so can be crafted by less skilled smiths. Second, they use less high quality steel, and sometimes less material all together, so more can be made with a given amount of stock. Third, axes served more than one purpose, as they could be used for utility as well as battle. With an axe, you can chop trees to build baracades, then use them to defend. You can not do that with a sword. Finaly, an axe can be used against armored foes to much greater effect than a sword. A sword is mostly a peircing weapon, and can bounce of armor. An axe will cause damage to anthing it hits by concentrating all the force to a small area with minimum effort.

A small axe can be used to greatest effect, as it can have a blade on one side, a spike on the other, and a point at the tip. Add on a longer haft, and you have a weapon that can be used for slashing, pearcing, and longer range thrusting. If your haft breaks, a battlefield fix is not hard. If your sword breaks, you are out of luck.

Edit* Also, I would like to say now that swords were NEVER used for hunting.

[emeraldfool]

yeah, sure, why make weapon fast and effective, when you can make it heavy and same as effective, or in fact less effective, because so heavy. It's how thing like this one came to existance, when people let their imagination flow too much: ^^

I think that Soul edge beats that to be honest....
Who could even pick up soul edge anyway? its bigger than nightmare himself!
Still, i cant help but love it.

Nightmare has that big muscley demon-arm...

[Ac]

how about get all the general weapons in first like spears halberts maces flails crossbows bows trowing weapons etc then some spesial weapons