A quick review on the PVP area

[zanzibar]

That is not obvious to me, if weaker players choose to gang up on stronger ones they still have the ability to fight amongst themselves once he is dispatched. Perhaps though all groups should be disbanded in favor of, or superseded by, one group containing every person in the pvp room. Joining the group would be as simple as entering the room and leaving the room would automatically force leaving the group.

My character isn't maxed out, but it's been ganged up on by large groups of players who deal 400 damage per hit.  So these aren't groups of "weaker players" by any means.

[bilbous]

Well I did specify players not characters but leaving that aside, what do you think of the single group idea?

[Zwenze]

The tactic of grouping together to a) kill Dlayo and b) keep other players from killing Dlayo,  sounds perfect to me in a FFA PVP area.  The whole idea of FFA PVP is conflict over scarce treasures.  Congratulations, you have it now.

Bring friends and take over if you don't like it.  :-)

That's one way of looking at it.  The only question is whether or not everyone is on the same page.

Somehow my earlier posts are missunderstood.

1) Attacking with arrows from outside PvP arena:
Standing on the side (outside) and arrowing the Dlayo while others fight him is not perfect to me. First, you dont get any execise in dueling, you dont get loot, only thing you get is practice in crystal way. But you can get cw practise without putting other players in a situation where they are attacked by the dylao without a possibility to defend them self ("must be grouped with xyz"). This is not a fight about resources (loots), this is just grieving other players. and watch them die without a chance to defend them self.

2) Backstabing:
Some players like to fight others. Thats fine in a pvp arena. Backstabbing (entering and killing characters who stand near the door within seconds) is rude I think (especially for enkis - who have a long walk). And again this was not resources, it was to annoy other players.
What annoyed me really was, when I came back and arrowed said player from inside the pvp arena after he attacked me a second time and I got an ooc complaint about being unfair. Why should I not be allowed to use arrows on other players inside the pvp arena?

[Narure]

Its kinda rude to kill people full stop. The Devs arent going to put in petty rules about where you can and cant attack mobs from and no one is going to play by other players rules becuase they will alwasy have a differnt veiw on these things. There would be alot less moaning with non-leathal combat me thinks.

[Idoru]

well, I just got my 1st experience of the PvP area, wasnt a good one either. I had just killed Dlayo when a player ran up and killed me from behind. wasnt very nice of them. I have also noticed how some players like to camp the area. as if they are only interested in PvP. Seems a bit wierd in an RP game.

[Raleigh]

well, I just got my 1st experience of the PvP area, wasnt a good one either. I had just killed Dlayo when a player ran up and killed me from behind. wasnt very nice of them. I have also noticed how some players like to camp the area. as if they are only interested in PvP. Seems a bit wierd in an RP game.

That's why any roleplayer would rather stay clear of that place. I suggest to turn it into a side-project with only the PvP area as its humble begginings and rename it as "DM-YliakumArena", then convert it to Quake 3 engine 

But something should be done about the campers first...

Yes, in my opinion the PvP area is anti-roleplay.

[zanzibar]

Ok, so you don't have complete control over what's going on, but how is it anti-roleplay?

[bilbous]

Role players like foreplay and pillow talk, pvp'ers just want to get the nasty deed over with and go home -- no cuddling. Kran don't understand the whole concept.

[ThomPhoenix]

So, is this thread going to be locked or the other one?

[Raleigh]

So, is this thread going to be locked or the other one?

Isn't it better to merge both if something will be done about them?

And I dare to call it "1337v1337" instead of PvP too... It's just like a deathmatch arena if you take a look at it... but with more opportunities for campers as player skills aren't very important. I doubt roleplayers will miss or bother with it, as they will stay clear from it until at least an IC explanation is given.

[Karyuu]

The replies would criss-cross and it would be really hard to follow. Both were used at the same time, so you wouldn't be able to tell who is replying to who if things were not quoted.

[zanzibar]

I don't see what the problem is with having several threads on similar topics.  It's not like people would post less... you'd just end up with fewer threads which were that much busier and harder to follow.

[bilbous]

Should be this one, it is self defined as "Quick" if it gets much longed we might all get sucked into some parallel universe 

Just kidding, as long as the discussions are different I see no need for either thread to be closed. Of course two cents doesn't buy much these days. It is almost impossible to find penny candy anymore.

[Karyuu]

Generally, we do like to avoid duplicate threads on the same topic. Checking two places to read about the same thing is what becomes cumbersome. I'm closing this one as it was the last to be started - please continue your conversations in the other.