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Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« on: October 27, 2007, 11:28:43 pm »
Ok if you want we can work that out here so that the Role play thread is strictly that. A thread for role play posts

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Anyway, the character creation now states that atheism is totally illogical. Therefore I think IC beliefs in terms of IC religions, particularly Laanxism given that it is the most prominent in Hydlaa, should come before ceremonies for all the population.

Ok we have that based on a big temple, populated area, revenue source,

Shoot some ideas out here of what your thinking about
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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2007, 11:57:51 pm »
I wish the post before mine wasn't changed :(

Anyway, the character creation now states that atheism is totally illogical. Therefore I think IC beliefs in terms of IC religions, particularly Laanxism given that it is the most prominent in Hydlaa, should come before ceremonies for all the population.

If we wish to debate the  whole IC and OOC thing, then this would be OOC in that only a Priest or Priestess of a deity would be given the ceremony to pass on to the rest of society. To complain that a non-doctrinated marriage ceremony was submitted before a doctrine based ceremony is illogical. Just make one. jaycol has asked a few times for what you would like to see in it. Take the offer or, what makes more sense to me, make your own for submission.For only a follower of a god who has changed sex will know the values of intense interest to their deity. Us common folk would not. In my opinion, the more options one has, the more the game is enjoyable so bring on the options. :D
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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2007, 12:07:59 am »
I'd love to see Laanx ceremonies, but asides from one quest I can't start for Nkaw there are no Laanx ceremonies. I just wish there was more that someone that worshiped Laanx could do in game. I welcome your suggestions but cannot speak on behalf of the settings team.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 12:22:38 am »
Hrm, that does present a challenge.
What I might recommend in that instance is to read through the "Official" PS history on the main site (thoroughly) and glean whatever you can from it, as far as Laanx is concerned. Couple that with what you [do] know of Laanx ceremonies and just make a best guess at the rest.

I guess what I'm saying is, put a lot of thought into it and make it up the best you can - fully aware that since it's not 'official' there may be parts or even the whole thing that turns out to be wrong later on. And in that instance, I don't see why pleading innocence and being 'misguided' would be all that wrong for most characters, especially those of a religious nature.


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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2007, 12:36:38 am »
Indeed. But if a ceremony has merit and is as close to the stated history, maybe it would be allowed with changes made to reflect whatever changes in the meantime. It would definitely bring more depth to the game and to the experience of the "marriage" of the characters. I admit that I am no fancy writer, but I will try to come up with something to start the process along. If jaycol would permit, I would like to use his outline and a jumping off point. So maybe, by the time they get ready for this kind of stuff being implemented We can have some good solid submissions.

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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 01:09:57 am »
well as i have been piecing me thoughts together I noticed a few things.

Laanx is a very interesting and open subject. Beautiful, yet disturbing.

The Masquerade God, both female and male
generous yet ruthless

That little bit leaves three gods to be represented under one name, The history opens even more doors, a god of knowledge, a god of lovers, a god of light, a god of darkness etc.
The people of Yliakum worshiped in different stages, and limited teaching. Adding different cultures and world location makes a single view of Laanx impossible. So there is relatively a lot of open material here.

As far as religion itself, you need only look at the RL world religions. Many claim to be the true view or the original yet each one of the dominate faiths are broken into hundreds of different factions for even a small point of view. There is no wrong way to worship Laanx based on the descriptions provided in the games history. Her/his main goal is to be worshiped above all (meaning Talad). Being the god of Masquerade that would also suit her/his stature. So the doors open for suggestions. The dark god is already noticed and referenced. It is also the easiest to work with. I think I would like to try another direction for now. Pick one if you like.
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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2007, 01:07:05 pm »
 I rather find this an interesting and productive RP ICC aspect that has yet, to my knowledge, been brought forward to the Leader of the Vesoers of Laanx, that I believe serve tjhe Temple and it's God. Maybe if more people would talk to Nakira, something would be worked out on aspects of surmuns, weddings, funerals, ect...maybe even a joint event between the Temple and it's loyal followers.

But just an Idea:)

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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2007, 06:13:59 pm »
I'll look in to it. But as far as temple ceremonies and services. Coming from a great temple such as the Temple of Laanx would be limited, one would think to the social elite of the Hydlaa district. Now on the other hand, the hiders, gladiators farmers, miners, etc.  That make up different factions of the common population would have different views. Their approach to Laanx would be limited to learning. Most of which would have been word of mouth passed down by generation. Even if there was a traveling representative of the temple that reached out to the outbacks of Yliakum. In time his views would change from the origin text form that he learned. By teaching his way he would have difficulty explain his views due to language and culture issues. Basically, he would be forced incorporate some of their traditions to have his views understood.

   My issue of the matter is that as set as you would like to make it, The understanding of the material will always produce another view. I have outlined the description of Laanx from first the first Enoch. From looking at it I have come up with 15 different names that could be used, as well as about 10 different  possibilities of the deities purpose or function
Take that in consideration with the number of races and language. Trade and occupation factors. Clans, guilds,village, and family traditions and customs. The manner of education and resource material. That number would triple.

    Now there are presently four books of Enoch. That I assume are very old. Meaning the original volumes are rare of they even still exist. So that means the volumes that are available are copies. Written of course in a different language from the originals. Which also means words were invented to compensate the translation. And each race would have a copy and their own text. Similar but oddly different. Allowing for even more factions from the intended form.

   So the races now each have their own versions of the books of Enoch. Is it assumed that everyone in that race has a copy or access to one or all four books. I doubt it. Those would be highly treasured and guarded by the temples and the priests that attend to them. So the only way to acquire this information would be to attend the services of the temple. Who would of course share with you only that which you need to know.  In event that you could some how manage to view one of these great texts, it would be only that. A view, leaving you with a limited opinion of what you read.

   Now let's look at that farmer who lives in the out lands of Ojaveda. Being poor with a hand me down plot of land. Little or no access to education. Where does he get the complete knowledge of the Books of Enoch. Or for that matter the understanding of the complexity of the teachings of Laanx. I would doubt that he puts down his hoe for a week long journey to the temple of Laanx in Hydlaa. Who's meager gift's would be frowned upon by the temple attendant's. And what aspect of Laanx's religion would he even be interested in? Taking from the descriptions of the First Book of Enoch. He might be interested in the fact that Laanx channeled the rivers that fed life into the land that he owns making it fertile. So From the first book we have a farmer's view of a female goddess of fertility.

     Keeping that in mind lets look at the popular view. Laanx the Masquerade God, the god of vengeance, the dark god if you will. The description changes in the second book of Enoch. Now our remote farmer may only have knowledge of the first book. He knows of Laanx the male God of vengeance, and uses him to scare his children. He may in his  back country way, feel that even to speak the name of Laanx is to speak of evil, or of things that can't be spoken. So he continues on in his life blessing the gifts of Talad, and the female goddess of fertility who helped him to raise his seasonal crop. Now What was her name?

Luna, L'na, ? maybe, in reference to her lunar skin
Azure, Azur, Azura, A'zur? in reference to the beams  of light that reflects from her skin

There is a reference to a silver circlet, some connection to Laanx. A sister maybe? Or a wife?

Keep in mind that Laanx is the Masquerade god, who's interest is to steal worshipers from Talad. So appearing as a misty goddess of fertility maybe amusing to him.

My point is there is plenty of material here to work with comfortably for role playing a character, and to add a generation or two of purpose and/or tradition. With out it ever being out of form. Short of a religious inquisition. (which would be interesting)

However, all due respect to the setting team, The stuff I working with will be sent to them. Once i finish it.



Just wanted to point out some food for thought

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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2007, 08:01:44 am »
Until then I think the original wedding you wrote was a wonderful guideline for people wanting to get married soon. As long as they don't care as much about those specific things, I think you wrote a great service! [Just some encouragement in the middle of this debate ;)]

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Re: Discusssions on in-game ceremonies
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 10:25:43 am »
Thanks

All debate aside. I noticed that as far as Tradition, and/or history, for use inside the game's structure, may be more of a legal (copyright) matter, than it is a matter of approval. I'm currently checking with that. In which case, the material  would need to be signed over to the settings team for it to be incorporated. If I understand that right. So, anyway that's the area I need to look into. Before, I get into any more in-depth discussion of the matter.

However the posted ceremony is intended as a guideline. To use a part of, or just to offer some ideas. I did offer a reference to history, to give purpose to the use of the ceremony. And, that seems to be the point of argument here. ( Which can be easily be edited to resolve  the issue) Without removing the guideline, if it continues to be an issue of concern.

I do hope to see some other outlines, for past and present ceremonies posted. I feel that it would be helpful. I do hate to see good things lost.