Risk and Reward [edited].

[Under the moon]

Hmmm. Some good answers so far, some confusing ones. The point of this is not to try to find a ballance between the risk and reward for other players, however. A few of you are leaning that way.

The point is this: In a given situation, if [this] was the reward, I personally would risk [this] to get it. Or, what would I pay to get the reward without the risk? Or in Phinehas's case, what would I pay to get the risk the comes with the chance to get the reward?

If you would not want the reward, or do not think anything is worth the risk, skip that number.

It is not a "What would Jesus do?" thing.

I'll give you an example. This is what I, personally would risk in #7.

7)
Situation: I get to play a baddie baddie character with no restrictions, and can mug people or rob their guildhouse. Non-killing.

Reward: I can steal another character's ENTIRE inventory. Clean gettaway. Thrill!

Risk: A) I would risk being unsuccessful, stealing nothing, can get arrested (not killed), and can end up with all of my items taken away as I spend a half a week in a prison map (sort of like the Eagle Bronze Doors fortress, ony you can't get out. Includes quests and training of the 'prison' style.) Some items are returned after your service is complete, and a hefty fine. Loss of faction law points that would make the NPCs treat you different for months, charging you more for goods, refusing to train you, or charging more, etc.
B) I am successfull, BUT others can track me down if I was not careful, by way of magic, or if I break the 'pay' rules below. I would risk the prison map for a week, loss of all items while in prison, -few- items returned (many going to the person I stole from), a large fine and faction loss, and temporary removal of a hand by magic means. Have to make ammends to victim and NPCs get it back. Perminant change in how NPCs treat you.
C) I would not risk losing any stats.

Pay: Have to first get in good with the NPC thieves of the game to gain the right (time and effort) to mug. Have to log out in an official thieve's hidout, or my time does not go down. Can not sell the items to any 'good' NPCs for a week, due to the guilty aura, but 'bad' ones would buy at cut-rate prices (but may turn me in as well to get in good with the law). Can not go near any guards for a few hours to a few weeks to forever, depending on what I stole, as they would all have "Detect guilty arua Glyphs". The more I steal, the larger my aura gets. Live in fear of getting caught for the time I am in possession of the items.

That is the max I would give up or risk to play that character.

[Earl_Listbard]

Ah I see, well in the case of total doom of a city maybe permadeath for the risk

you risk becoming a fallen hero should you die defending the city.

I dunno, just a thought, a 're-evaluating' of my last post if you will, into simpler terms.


so again

Situation: doom of a city
Rward: regarded a hero, city stands, rewarded with trias.
Risk: if you die, your character stays dead forever, and is remembered as a fallen hero.

That might give a whole new meaning of chivalry in planeshift... I dunno

[SerqFeht]

I really like #13's senario.

If I ever find the time and some money, I might make a guild, 'The Hydlaa Guard.' That could be an interesting continuous roleplay

[Duraza]

1)
Situation: Your guild gains much power and has the favor of many NCP's
Reward: A guildhouse.
Risk: You will be watched constantly, a guildhouse meaning you are a very powerful guild, so the goverment will be making sure your not doing anything illegal or unfavorable to them.
Pay: Tria to buy the house, hate if the goverment decides that your a threat.

2)
Situation: You try use some sort of forrbidden magic (like necromancy).
Reward: You gain whatever the spell gives (in the case of necromancy you get undead warriors).
Risk: Your stats are cut in half. They do not come back without training.

3)
Situation: You risk it all and try to prevent a high goverment official from being murdered.
Reward: Your character's name is forever carved on a wall of fame IN the game.
Risk: Your life.
Pay: The fact that you knew the murder was going to happen but did not tell the guard will make the goverment suspicious of you, maybe think you were apart of the crime or that it was a ploy, only the official you saved actually being greatful.

5)
Situation: Another character is about to suffer Permadeath, and you can stop it.
Reward: You save that characters life.
Risk: You may have to suffer permadeath yourself
Pay: You will lose your own strength inorder to restore theirs (as in stats)

6)
Situation: Your a thief trying to get some quick cash.
Reward: You steal a few hundred tria out of another character's inventory.
Risk: Being caught and going to jail.
Pay: People who see you will look unfavorably on you and the guard may soon be watching you, making it harder to steal.

7)
Situation: You kill another player permantenly
Reward: You steal another character's ENTIRE inventory.
Risk: Being put in jail for theft, being killed for murder.
Pay: You become less trusted my certain people, possibly even by certain NCP's.

8.)
Situation: You die, whether from falling, from being in battle, or anything that didn't cause permadeath.
Reward: Your not permadead and your character isn't being deleted.
Risk: A week stuck in the Death Realm (once it is bigger and has more to do)

9)
Situation: You go on a sort of "epic quest."
Reward: You get the most powerful item in the game. It is unique (option B, it is not unique)
Risk: Permadeath and character deletion.
Pay: It will take much more time to complete an epic quest than it will to do normal quests, and you will not be able to be involved in anything else.

10)
Situation: Yourself or your guild owes the goverment a large sum of money because of loans taken but not repayed.
Reward: You keep your life andyou still can rebuild back to your former status.
Risk: You lose all of your items, possibly even banked items.

11)
Situation: You can kill anyone, anything, anywhere, anytime ingame. (think hard on this one.)
Reward: Your are basically the most powerful and feared character in the game. Possibly a god will attempt to make you their own, just like Laanx and Galeran.
Risk: Your put in the highest security jail if your caught, awaiting your turn to take a ride to permadeath. Also the gods will take close watch of you, most likely ready to smite you if you go agaisnt them (mass killing their followers, destroying their temples, etc).
Pay: You will be hated and hunted constantly, never able to rest or relax because anyone can attack you at any time.

13)
Situation: Doom. Everything is in danger. This one is for you as a player.
Reward: Hydlaa is saved from burning to the ground. AKA Epic situation. Part of the reward is the epic story, win or lose.
Risk: Hydlaa's destruction, a complete change in power, the murder of the Octarch, your own death.
Pay: Your forced to go to war by the goverment, you may do nothing else if it is not aiding the war agaisnt the enemy. You may see many of your own allies die permanently, your guild may fall.

[Dihenis]

4)
Situation:I kill an important figure
Reward: having that person replaced, even possibly by me. Also the knowledge that you were the one causing the ensuing chaos
Risk: I get caught and then Permadeath. Character deletion. I lose my character.

6)
Situation:I am learning how to steal/be a rogue
Reward: I can steal a few hundred tria out of another character's inventory.
Risk:I might get caught, and get thrown in jail with a fine
Pay: bribe the guards so they turn a blind eye to what i'm doing

5)
Situation: Another character is about to suffer Permadeath, and I can stop it.
Reward:I save the person, gaining their respect and their debt to me
Risk:I might lose my own life
Pay:Hiring someone else, maybe even a guild, to do it for me

[PurpleSponge]

1)
Situation: An RP auction is held (As is now)
Reward: I get a guildhouse, Having a fun place to be with your guild friends
Risk: Loosing all your trias

2)
Situation: Fighting an NPC and getting a nice Item that looks cool when you got it in your hand (like Rellioms Staf)
Reward: Getting a nice Item , wich others don't have.
Risk: My stats are cut in half. They do not come back without training.

3)
Situation: Enough people have voted for you to be a good PS player
Reward: My character's name is forever carved on a wall of fame IN the game.
Risk: If enough people give you a bad mark , you lose your own created name and a new random name is given to your character

4)
Situation: I cheated the freck out of evry bug I could find
Reward: I'm a UberPowerLeveler , all unintelligent people look up to me.
Risk: Permadeath. Character deletion. I lose my character.

5) can't awnser

6)
Situation: Two players are in a PvP fight and One player surrenders , the other excepts. (both players are NOT equal in strength)
Reward: I can steal a few hundred tria out of another character's inventory.
Risk: You lose some tria and/or items

7)
Situation: Two players are in a PvP fight and One player surrenders , the other excepts. (both players are equal in strength)
Reward: I can steal another character's ENTIRE inventory.
Risk: You lose some tria and/or items

8.)
Situation: You die
Reward: You're not realy death
Risk: A get stuck for a week in the Death Realm (once it is bigger and has more to do)

9)
Situation: Players must return to a certain event, and keep doing it (getting points for that event), in competion with other playersn (only one player can get it IG)
Reward: I get one of the most powerful item in the game (I imagine mutliple items wich can do difrent things). It is highly unique
Risk: Losing your Time going after an object that you can't get.

10) can't awnser

11)
Situation: I can try to kill anyone, anything, anywhere, anytime ingame! (think hard on this one.)
Reward: I think I'm god , or I try to RP with evrybody that you want to kill them anywhere any time etc.. because thats what your char is about.
Risk: I lose all my XP , PP  & money , my stats are reduced to the lowest level of any person IG

12)
Situation: I've run long and hard over the hills to reach the bronzedoors, I rest at a nice house, and sit down.
Reward: An NPC hands me a nice bouquet of (purple) flowers (and a nice hug
Risk: I get nothing when I don't sit down at that place.

13)
Situation: Doom. Everything is in danger. This one is for you as a player.
Reward: Hydlaa is saved from burning to the ground. AKA Epic situation. Part of the reward is the epic story, win or lose.
Risk: My character's life (By random, not all need to die), The Library & Kada-El's tavern. (wich is more a risk to the builders of the game who have to create a new library)

[Zan]

I really like #13's senario.

If I ever find the time and some money, I might make a guild, 'The Hydlaa Guard.' That could be an interesting continuous roleplay

Don't count on it, people tend to have an utter dislike to others who claim to have some sort of authority over them. Besides the Settings hasn't released nearly enough information to us to know how we can correctly play a Hydlaa Guard. So I'd suggest creating an independent, non-official guard unit without too much authority ... or even better, join the ones that already exist.

[Zetsumei]

I don't really have all that much to offer regarding scenarios, but I may have something to offer regarding how I choose whether or not to risk something.

Risk by itself doesn't mean anything, if there's no real chance of it happening (eg chances of dying in a fight with a character that has lvl 100 HA, lvl 100 sword skill, q300 swords, and healing spells).  In my head, I'll analyze the risk, and then try to see if I can figure out my odds of getting caught/punished, and from there see if it's acceptable.

There's also seeing if I can minimize the risk itself.  Taking Underthemoon's personal example for #7, you could potentially store your inventory on an alt, or with a friend during this mission.  You could get anything that you could think of ahead of time from good NPCs, and set up contacts with bad NPCs, perhaps to have alternatives should things go wrong.  If there was only a good NPC trainer for a particular skill that I was working on, or planning on working on during the time period of consequences, I'd either attempt to finish training or if the skill/job wasn't all that needed, go through with it.  And there's a few other examples of risk management as well.

Either way, when I look at things like this, I think about ways (IC and OOC) to minimize risk, see if I can improve my chances of succeeding, weigh everything in my head, and then come to a decision.  One thing I won't risk (though others will argue that I already have) is permadeath.

[Under the moon]

That, my friend, is the makings of a good criminal. Even if you think you are acting OOC to get around the system, you are actually forced into doing the IC actions the role calls for. Mission successful!

[Zetsumei]

That, my friend, is the makings of a good criminal. Even if you think you are acting OOC to get around the system, you are actually forced into doing the IC actions the role calls for. Mission successful!

I was actually thinking that myself.  Somewhat OOC behaviour, like having a friend hold onto items, or to some doing your training ahead of time, are all IC actions, really.  The only one that I can't see being too IC is using an alt, unless of course you've RPed your main and your alt(s) knowing each other.