Tolian trial -- OOC questions.

[Prolix]

Sitting on the sidelines, having only really seen the trial video I am left wondering what it was all about. The Donari character was around for a very long time and appeared to be a successful merchant/arms dealer. When she was retired [perma-death] the player created a relative character apparently to receive the estate. Is this kind of transference not allowed by game rules? Did he neglect to pay inheritance taxes, somehow. Are we to believe that the Octarchy is a wholly corrupt government which abuses the population willy-nilly?

As for the particular charge illegally creating currency how is that even possible without the abuse of a bug which is subject to OOC punishment, was this some kind of IC justification for an OOC infraction?

I'm not too concerned about the 100k I have seemingly lost for my 2% share, I am more concerned that my character bilbous might get banned from the dome just for having bought it. Of course he doesn't get in the game much so it would hardly be much of a punishment, but then again if he is needed for questioning I might never know and get convicted in absentia. Doesn't really matter because he knows nothing anyway.


If this appears to be nothing but an attempt to get around the temporary(?) closing of the TTC guild thread feel free to delete it but my concerns wouldn't really belong in that thread, would they?

[zanzibar]

[Since the Tolian Trading Company thread was locked, I thought the trial was OOC?

If the trial was IC, then it was probably a money grab by the local authorities.  After all, we've been told time and time again by the settings team that Yliakum authorities are highly authoritarian.

Edit:  Another possibility is that this was a revenge scheme crafted by Donari's enemies.]

[Lokter Tarvitz]

[player schemes never involve GM's.... they refuse to participate... as far as we can tell this was pretty much some sort of IC reason to ban him for an OOC reason... although what he was accused of IC is the same as what he is accused of OOC as far as we know.]

[zanzibar]

[player schemes never involve GM's.... they refuse to participate... as far as we can tell this was pretty much some sort of IC reason to ban him for an OOC reason... although what he was accused of IC is the same as what he is accused of OOC as far as we know.]

[The GM's would never react IC to someone breaking the rules OOC.  It's against the rules.  And I didn't say that the GM's were "in on the scheme".  Roleplaying means reacting to what's around you.  If the GM's are being a part of the roleplay community, then they must react to what other players are doing.  So it's entirely plausible that actions taken by players, if coordinated in such a way, can result in the GM's doing one thing or another thing.  For instance there was a GM event a while back and some players schemed to help the Onyx Daggers, and the GM's went along with it and even rewarded the players involved!]

[Prolix]

no the trial was completely in context as was obvious from the video. Nor was I suggesting any wrong-doing on the part of the GM team. I'm just trying to figure out what it all means. I suppose it could have been fall-out from historic bug exploits but that does not seem right as it applied only to one character and not his account as such an infraction would entail. Of course I suspect that the character in question might well be comfortable operating on the wrong side of the law and this was just his comeuppance. Still I guess he can operate out of the DR or possibly the caverns.

Anyway he seems to have brought it upon himself by means of his application for Octarchal support. I wonder how much of this passion play was agreed upon long ago.

[zanzibar]

Anyway he seems to have brought it upon himself by means of his application for Octarchal support. I wonder how much of this passion play was agreed upon long ago.

[I had thought of that as well - that Tolian was "in on it".  It would be good for the GM team since this establishes a precedent for how all future trials will be conducted.  It's a very efficient model for the prosecution, and is very appropriate given PlaneShift's settings (since the settings say Yliakum's government is very authoritarian since they're so worried about the survival of its civilization).

The Dark Empire was expecting to make a lot of money from Donari/Tolian's activities though.  So if this was planned, we weren't told about it.  (Or if we were told about it, something happened to the message in transition.  Either Nurahk didn't read his messages, or Nurahk kept it to himself, or Nurahk only shared it with other ex-Shadows, etc.  Given that Donari has a tendency to do things on his own, the most likely explanation is that the Dark Empire wasn't told about the trial, assuming the trial was even pre-planned.)]

[An addendum to that - to my knowledge, no one in the Empire knew Donari was hacking the game or duping items.  I only suspected it was a mere Ponzi scheme, and my advice was to stay away from it.]

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

OOC reasons did in fact cause an IC event to make sense of an OOC punishment. Because the TTC is a public company with a very visible face it was deemed needful to also bring punishment IC. In this case the ooc problem intertwines with ic situations irreconcilably.

The investigation is ongoing.

I am locking this thread until the investigation is complete.