I need help... (turned into a complain)

[Elady]

Let's see you asked to be given a guild house to run a vaudeville theater open to the public and then after you get the house try to exclude people from the place before they have ever stepped into the house.  Funny I don't remember in your presentation to get the house you ever mentioning that you would want to exclude people who have had issues with your staff in the past. Maybe if you had mentioned this little fact up front in your presentation it might have affected if you had gotten the house in the first place. I can see excluding people who had demonstrated they could only be disruptive in the den but not before giving them a chance to behave in there.

As best as I can remember I never asked for help form you or the den in doing any events I have done. I was talking about the complaints about one of the events at the Explorer outpost. You were unhappy about because Mordaan used tells to help organize it. The Picnic you talk about took about 10 minutes to put together and was done quickly because the NPC server had been down already for several days and Lilura and I wanted to give people something todo while the NPC server was down.  If we had known that the NPC server was going to be down for another week or so we would have taken more time to advertise the picnic. As it was we had no idea when the server would be back up so we did a rush job of advertising it since the picnic happened about 18 hours after the idea had come up. And look back it was Lilura who posted in the forum about the picnic. Yes I did send a couple of friend tells about the event but that is the same as I had gotten from several " Great" RP'erd in the past.

And for the record I don't consider myself to be a great RP'er because I am so tolerant. In fact I consider myself to be a fair to good RP'er with a lot to learn from those I consider to be very good RP'ers. I came into Planeshift with little RP experience and a lot to learn. Thankfully most people in the game were tolerant of the mistakes a rookie to RP can make and helped me learn to become a better player. I want to see this tradition continue so that others who are new to RP can come in a learn, even if they make mistakes along the way. From what I have seen players do a pretty good job dealing with the occasional godmod that happens. If the players themselves can deal with this type of thing I think that is the best solution.

[Aiwendil]

Requirements:
A guild house with enough room to hold at least 30 visitors. A stable [not removable] stage should be provided as well. The Octarchy might help to attach any decoration and test the security to prevent citizens from suffering any harm [fix decoration items].
The Red Crystal Organisation will have the right to remove any disturbing visitors and hand them to the Hydlaa guards [A house near a NPC guard would nice for this to give us some RP options to deal with trouble-makers]

So yes...it wasn't directly mentioned at the presentation...only like this: (from here)

...
Aiwendil takes a short look at her notes before raising her voice again "This vaudeville could be used for various events. We already have plenty of ideas of what could be done there like Theater plays, Story and Poetry contests, Music events, Fashion Parades and a lot more. But of course the vaudeville would be open for events of others too. In this case the Red Crystal Organization will provide the stage and the security personnel for those performances. And, if wished, we would also care for the physical well-being of the audience by serving food and drinks."
...
Amidison nods, shifting her gaze to Orgonwukh, "You mentioned providing secuirty, as you know the safety of our people is important. You have the resources to do this?"
Orgonwukh grunts at the poke and sniggers
Orgonwukh nods to Amidison and takees a breath
Orgonwukh says: As you know, I am the best fighter of Yliakum...
Iragdun raises an eyebrow
Orgonwukh says: And of course I use my knowledge in this area to train security personnel. No worries here.
Orgonwukh adds "Ma'am."
Aiwendil nods "We have some people who will do an excelent job with this. The sercurety of the guests is indeed a very important task. But it's also important to protect the artists if a guest isn't pleased with their preformance"
Datal nods in agreement
Amidison chuckles softly. "Of course."

But it was clearly said in the written proposal we handed to the GM team. (And just to prevent any confusion...the proposal was handed to the GM team before I became a GM. It was approved in the short time I was in the GM team but I never talked about it to other GMs at all. I didn't know we got the vaudeville until the party in the Octarchal Residence where it was revealed to the public. But in a way it had something to do with me leaving the GM team again...it took a lot of my time and I couldn't stand that I should have used my influence as RCD leader to make sure it is run as the PS team wanted it. For that I was not nominated by the outlaws to run the Den.)

And had the explorer's event in mind also...before that we always tried to included the SH as best as possible. Just afterwards I/we thought it's better to leave everyone to their own style of RPing and stop trying to find way how to make those styles compatible. Pretty hard to explain why half of the characters know already what is going on because of some OOC posts and tells and the other half had no clue as the chars didn't speak with each other. So in my view it was much better to not mix those styles..after all it was meant to be fun for everyone.

Oh..and i remember you starting to play Elady. Was a lot of fun to play with you back then. Sure..a lot of PLing at the furnace but you always tried to include it in your RPs and still stayed open for some chatting while working. So it was a bit sad for me to see the longer you played the less you seemed to be up for "wasting" time like this. A ritual for people wanting to join DOX? Not needed...let them first join and then maybe do the ritual some time later...if at all. DOX being pacifists? Nah...that's ignoring game fighting mechanics. And of course nothing is wrong with that in general. Everyone is free to play as they want. But so are others who think this isn't the best way of playing for them...and find it hard to believe that RP got so much better only because someone says so who never understood their motivations.

[ncfbn]

Requirements:
A guild house with enough room to hold at least 30 visitors. A stable [not removable] stage should be provided as well. The Octarchy might help to attach any decoration and test the security to prevent citizens from suffering any harm [fix decoration items].
The Red Crystal Organisation will have the right to remove any disturbing visitors and hand them to the Hydlaa guards [A house near a NPC guard would nice for this to give us some RP options to deal with trouble-makers]

So yes...it wasn't directly mentioned at the presentation...only like this: (from here)

...
Aiwendil takes a short look at her notes before raising her voice again "This vaudeville could be used for various events. We already have plenty of ideas of what could be done there like Theater plays, Story and Poetry contests, Music events, Fashion Parades and a lot more. But of course the vaudeville would be open for events of others too. In this case the Red Crystal Organization will provide the stage and the security personnel for those performances. And, if wished, we would also care for the physical well-being of the audience by serving food and drinks."
...
Amidison nods, shifting her gaze to Orgonwukh, "You mentioned providing secuirty, as you know the safety of our people is important. You have the resources to do this?"
Orgonwukh grunts at the poke and sniggers
Orgonwukh nods to Amidison and takees a breath
Orgonwukh says: As you know, I am the best fighter of Yliakum...
Iragdun raises an eyebrow
Orgonwukh says: And of course I use my knowledge in this area to train security personnel. No worries here.
Orgonwukh adds "Ma'am."
Aiwendil nods "We have some people who will do an excelent job with this. The sercurety of the guests is indeed a very important task. But it's also important to protect the artists if a guest isn't pleased with their preformance"
Datal nods in agreement
Amidison chuckles softly. "Of course."

But it was clearly said in the written proposal we handed to the GM team. (And just to prevent any confusion...the proposal was handed to the GM team before I became a GM. It was approved in the short time I was in the GM team but I never talked about it to other GMs at all. I didn't know we got the vaudeville until the party in the Octarchal Residence where it was revealed to the public. But in a way it had something to do with me leaving the GM team again...it took a lot of my time and I couldn't stand that I should have used my influence as RCD leader to make sure it is run as the PS team wanted it. For that I was not nominated by the outlaws to run the Den.)

And had the explorer's event in mind also...before that we always tried to included the SH as best as possible. Just afterwards I/we thought it's better to leave everyone to their own style of RPing and stop trying to find way how to make those styles compatible. Pretty hard to explain why half of the characters know already what is going on because of some OOC posts and tells and the other half had no clue as the chars didn't speak with each other. So in my view it was much better to not mix those styles..after all it was meant to be fun for everyone.

Oh..and i remember you starting to play Elady. Was a lot of fun to play with you back then. Sure..a lot of PLing at the furnace but you always tried to include it in your RPs and still stayed open for some chatting while working. So it was a bit sad for me to see the longer you played the less you seemed to be up for "wasting" time like this. A ritual for people wanting to join DOX? Not needed...let them first join and then maybe do the ritual some time later...if at all. DOX being pacifists? Nah...that's ignoring game fighting mechanics. And of course nothing is wrong with that in general. Everyone is free to play as they want. But so are others who think this isn't the best way of playing for them...and find it hard to believe that RP got so much better only because someone says so who never understood their motivations.

tl;dr

[Sangwa]

Aiwendil and Illysia are just both sad because their friends left and there aren't as many people around (which I blame mostly to the increase in PC requirements). Let's all take a second to mourn their grief and move on.

Unless you like to provoke ridiculous people that take upon themselves vendettas against a game. If that's the case, join me in this battle against these blue, deaf Trolls!

[Illysia]

And sangwa is just upset that we aren't taking his ego into account and putting our attention on him. We have been around here doing our bit (good and bad) since before he decided to return and we didn't see fit to kowtow just because the former emperor spoke.

[Sangwa]

True, that was kind of upsetting. I hadn't realized it before though... That's just one more reason to join the crusade!

[Elady]

Not that it is important but as best I can remember it was others on DOX who suggested or wanted to let X into the guild now and we can do the oathing ceremony later. When you are in a guild run by a majority vote not much you can do if you are out voted by the others to allow something like this. One of the major reasons I left DOX was the changes going on in the guild, having a member with weapons drawn at an oathing ceremony in the garden, weapons drawn in the guild house, fighting in the guild house, even a killing in the guild house.  None of this would have happened in my opinion back with the original group of DOX. 

But as said above I'll play and enjoy the game as I see fit and let others do the same, just as long as others don't try to dictate to me how I should be enjoying the game.

[Illysia]

Sorry Elady, but I have to pick on you a bit here as technically this counts as distancing yourself from people based on differences on what the appropriate RP should be. Since  they weren't godmodding or speaking in leet... I seem to remember people saying how one should just go with it.... Not that I think that that plot made any sense whatsoever, and for the record, I thought that whole thing was forced through rather than there being a good reason for it to have developed the way it did. I'm just saying that these things to present rather large problems if the RP conflicts heavily with what one perceive to be the more reasonable response. Also one person's perception may differ so it can't be definitively said that one person is completely overreacting if they choose to not go along with the RP and technically that's all that was done in a few cases at the den. We chose to risk it at the Stonehead but not everybody can be as patient as we were.

[Talad]

This thread shows how people cannot stay on topic. Catlemur asked for how to create events in game, and people started to complain about GMs and devs ? I'm moving this thread to the complaint department, please Catlemur start a new thread, so we can answer to that in a civil way.

[neko kyouran]

as far as the specific GM sticky that was brought up in this thread, I will talk over with the team to see if they would like to append it to better word it with the examples Sarv gave earlier in the thread.

this comment was lost in the thread, but i figure it'd still make a comment and say that i did work with the GM team, and a new version was made: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37217.0

it even now comes with better formatting!