Nevrax - Reinventing the wheel

[Commando]

You sound your a dev in NeL, trying to recruite projects buy talking negative on licenses..

[Djaggernaut]

You\'re not really open minded for someone wanting Free software.
I don\'t see your point in fact, you appear to be not giving any argue.
Plus, you\'re totally wrong, yes I pass hours making models and I give them with copyright to PS.

Why?? simply because I believe in this project, and I trust all its member because I know them.
In free software (I already work in that) you can see your model taken by an unknown guy who makes 2 little changes to it and claimed he changes the world.


Also I think you forget that here at PS we are paid.
Yes, we are paid with all the compliment, the fun, the learning we got here! Every single encouragment is a reward!

Now, speaking of the engine, especially in a MMORPG, it\'s better to have an engine easy to change than an extra-beautiful one.
Anymore we\'re entering in a period where everyone wants the more photorealistic game. That\'s not obviously something good.
When we do our graphics at PS, we\'re trying to give a story to a place, we\'re trying to make BEAUTIFUL graphics but also USEFUL graphics!
And before saying PS has only gfx, try to do as good as our coders!


I can only say the future will show you\'re wrong.. I know what I\'m telling, this project is different.

[chrischoo]

The transfer of copyrights to the PlaneShift team has legitimate reasons I can understand. I don\'t agree with the statement that copyrights (where art is concerned) should be free for all. These issues have actually been covered in the whole Open Source discussion, and it is recognized that an open source license for art does not always work.

Free software and free art are not the same thing. Think of a good piece of music you enjoyed... What if it was Open Source? What if it was now being played by a band that you hated tremendously? What if that band made oodles of money because of that piece of music, that they didn\'t create?

Open Source is about choice - The choice of buying proprietry software and getting equivalents for free. Programmers, and hence artists, have the same right to decide whether their work should be made open to all, or kept within a closed group. The PlaneShift team has apparently chosen to open source the engine, while trying to protect their content.

It is completely legitimate. The reason this may not have worked before is mostly because this whole open source thing is a new movement, but straddling the middle ground does not always mean worse results, and on the surface there are many reasons (if you\'ve read), why the licenses were structured this way.

One powerful force that drives the team is passion. Given that almost everything is contributed (time, effort, software, hardware etc) for free, and the fact that the project is still going strong, it shows that the system has worked well so far.

Maybe it will fall apart in future? Maybe Open Source will die? Maybe proprietry licenses will die? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Vengeance]

When you write GNU software, you donate your copyright to the FSF.  I don\'t see how this is different.  An independent legal entity needs to own all the copyrights so that it can treat them as a group and make contracts about licensing that stuff as a group.  If you can\'t understand that, then free software probably isn\'t for you.

- Venge

[Administrator]

\"Open Source is about choice - The choice of buying proprietry software and getting equivalents for free. \"

\"When you write GNU software, you donate your copyright to the FSF.\"

\"When you write GNU software, you donate your copyright to the FSF.\"

No, no, and no.

But I am content, I have mentioned the PS lisence to several very knowledgeable friends as well as professionals, and many have agreed that your lisence is not enforcable. It is impossible to donate copyright (one must be paid for it), and I competely agree.

AFAIK, I win. Have a nice life.

[Kiern]

I think I speak for pretty much everyone, Administrator, when I say...no one cares, if you do so much, take it to the IRC channel where people actually talk about those things

...and why is that name allowed?

[Axsyrus]

\"When you write GNU software, you donate your copyright to the FSF.\"

\"When you write GNU software, you donate your copyright to the FSF.\"

Aren\'t those the same, or am I being blind here..

anyways, like kiern said, nobody cares.. so just be happy you \"won\", go make a party.. at least don\'t come back here again..

[druke]

... its people like that who make these kinds of prodjects seems impossible. We all need to remember that this game was made for peoples passions, not there greeds

[Sangwa]

\"It is impossible to donate copyright (one must be paid for it), and I competely agree.\" - Guest/Administrator.. whatever
So one cant donate HIS copyrights??!?? what the!?
Is it impossible for ME to donate MY copyrights without being paid??? That sounds bad, its even worst then losing your copyrights !! YOU cant even donate them if YOU want !! sounds strange from the way i see it, to live is to fall.

[Vengeance]

Admin,

I was using the term \"donate\" loosely.  The correct term is \"Assign\".

Regarding FSF copyright assignment, see the following text from the FSF FAQ:

Why does the FSF require that contributors to FSF-copyrighted programs assign copyright to the FSF? If I hold copyright on a GPL\'ed program, should I do this, too? If so, how?
Our lawyers have told us that to be in the best position to enforce the GPL in court against violators, we should keep the copyright status of the program as simple as possible. We do this by asking each contributor to either assign the copyright on his contribution to the FSF, or disclaim copyright on it and thus put it in the public domain.
We also ask individual contributors to get copyright disclaimers from their employers (if any) so that we can be sure those employers won\'t claim to own the contributions.

Of course, if all the contributors put their code in the public domain, there is no copyright with which to enforce the GPL. So we encourage people to assign copyright on large code contributions, and only put small changes in the public domain.

If you want to make an effort to enforce the GPL on your program, it is probably a good idea for you to follow a similar policy. Please contact if you want more information

See it here if you don\'t believe me.

Not only does the FSF get copyright assignments but they encourage other projects like ours to do the same.  Go back to your friend and bitch-slap him, because he doesn\'t know what he is talking about.

- Your friendly neighborhood Venge

[druke]

u got pimped  

[elscouta]

It\'s true that donating copyright is illegal in France. That also mean the GPL is illegal in France (from more than this reason btw)

The weak point of this is who will sue you and how? The receiver that didn\'t want to receive the copyright? The giver how didn\'t want to give it? Or someone else because he feel like he was harmed by this donate?

-- just my two cents

[Linulo]

To come back to the topic: Ryzom beta2 looks really neat and their client engine NeL is not as hard on the CPU as MB.

[druke]

thats b/c thats a beta, in fact a second beta ...and this is a pre alpha tech demo