anti cheating and anti noob solution

[kronon]

Resently (because planeshift cb hasn\'t started yet) I started playing another mmpog called tibia. Although it has some drawbacks it has one great idea inplemented.
A noob world. Before any player can begin with the real part of the game. Players have to finish \"noob Island\", this is done when they reach lvl8. This means that they have to play for at least 20 hours before they can join the main game. PVP is not posible in \"noob island\" so noob killing doesn\'t happen there. Also most people that begin to play, have friends that will protect them when they come unther attack by noob killers.

Anti cheating solution. When you cheat your account get\'s deleted. This means all your characters are deleted and you have to start all over again in noob world (a hell for not noobs). So let\'s say I cheat a create a million in currency I get deleted and now I can start all over again. Most people won\'t create more then 1 character because it plainly sucks to have to go truh noob world again.

Anti noob solution. When noobs have completed noob world, they already know the basics and aren\'t in so much danger as they would other wise be. You won\'t be bothered by stopid question neither because all noobs aren\'t on the main land (where you are)

resources: www.tibia.com, www.tibia.de, http://tibia.gamigo.de/en/tutorial/rookgaard.wot

[Androgos]

Originally posted by kronon
Anti cheating solution.

When Paladin reaches it\'s full adult state, maybe it will be able to delete accounts, right now the Jr shows too many errors and non cheating (Only used for logging in CB)

Originally posted by kronon
Anti noob solution.

We have a solution for this, but nothing to be implemented in CB for a start

[SirTokesalot]

Simply ban cheaters ip forever. Its not like PS is losing money by banning cheaters/hackers.
why let them get better at cheating/hacking, and figer out how they got busted.
 If u really want to be nice a 1 year ban might work for 1st time cheaters. second forever.
 if the your acount is deleted only, well, then someone could just use keep practicing there hacking on a lev 1 acount till they got it right. then go from there.
ok who cares my lev 1 char gets deleted 5 times big deal. then time #6 when i dont get caught hacking and my char starts out with 10 mile gold and lev edited to lev 50 well........ u errrr..........bad bad.........
 plz dont cheat/hack it holds the game up , uses time of programers time that could be better spent inproving the game and adding new stuff..

[Moogie]

IP bans don\'t work on people clever enough to mask their IP, or those on dynamic IPs that change every time they connect to the Internet.

[Watcher]

I and many many pepole can get around a IP ban it isnt hard at-all.

[kronon]

you can follow the progress from players. If a players goed to lvl 8 in not anough hours then it get\'s deleted. So they have to play any way.

[Toadhead]

Most stupid I have ever heard!
Deleting accounts of cheaters...  ?(

Just ban that losers for the rest of their crappy lives!
Cheating ruins the game for ALL other people in the game including other cheaters. You don\'t want them in your game! Just ban them and save bandwidth for other fair players

ow and also delete their accounts because they only waste space.

[Olig]

How is planeshift going to recognize cheaters? My only advice would be that the server keeps a small log on every player (progress on skills, items collected/sold) and develop a program that reads the text files for any unusual behavior in stats. (This should be easy to do in C++, or even VB.) If a file is too suspicious, it goes to talad or some server moderator for a final judgement.

[Toadhead]

Well... what if he just sold some very valuable items?
I mean you never know.

It\'s hard to check this. I mean are you just gonna look at the amount of crystals? He could have already bought ALOT of items from the crystals he got by cheating. Than that system doesnt think he\'s a cheater.

[Moogie]

Stop talking about crystals and CB at the same time- there\'s no crystals in CB, it\'s Tria.


Anyway, cheaters are good. We welcome cheaters. Without cheaters- helpful ones, ones who find holes in the system and report them without exploiting them- the game would be vulnerable to those who do exploit them for their own selfish means (people like Zetsumei and Psybur are prime examples, and I\'ll name them wherever a discussion like this appears; partially it means people will recognise their names and tell me so I can kick them out if they dare show up in CB ).

We\'ll even reward good people who find cheats and help us. The only reward exploiters will get is a permanent cold-shoulder.


As for \"delete or ban?\", I think it is written somewhere that exploiters will be banned from the game. We have already banned the two named examples I mentioned above (although they\'re still lurking around, because MB doesn\'t have a ban feature). Even if they get around an IP ban, we will find them again, and ban them again. That\'s what GMs are for... and that\'s why we choose popular people to be GMs. Lots of friends means you\'re more likely to hear through the grapevine when a sour grape slips back in.

Rest assured, we will not be soft with those who wish to harm, rather than help.

[ShadowForm]

That\'s simple.
Instead of just tracking their liquid assets (cash), track total assets.  If they\'re wearing armor worth 600, a weapon worth 1000, and have 200 tria, you know something suspicious is happening if they suddenly gain 100,000 tria or a weapon worth 100,000 tria.
On the other hand if they have a 8,000 weapon and 5,000 armor, they sell a rare, 4,000 object for 10,000 it\'s not nearly so much of a change.
In another case, though, an intelligent cheater would just cheat small amounts of money or small gains over a longer period of time; maybe idling for several hours, then cheat to make his stats seem as though he had been leveling the whole time.

So, in order to prevent some cheating:
-Track the total wealth (items, equipment, etc) of characters rather than just cash
-Track stats

[Toadhead]

Originally posted by Moogie
We\'ll even reward good people who find cheats and help us. The only reward exploiters will get is a permanent cold-shoulder.

a cold-shoulder.. sounds cool  
Ow btw whats that reward? Just some crystals, a good weapon or what? Just interested

*Toadhead learns how to become a good cheater*

[fken]

before in a very old time... hum maybe 10 years ago some programmers had a very usefull idea.

When someone copy your videogame, the games becomes impossible to play. At the beginning no problem and, then when you arrive far enough the game becomes impossible : a lot of monsters come from everywhere, you can\'t stay alive and you realize that you come as far in the game for nothing (for example I believe one of these games was GOD... but I\'m not sure).

Please when someone cheat... send to this very intelligent guy a superb update before erasing his account... ;-)

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Toadhead

Originally posted by Moogie
We\'ll even reward good people who find cheats and help us. The only reward exploiters will get is a permanent cold-shoulder.

a cold-shoulder.. sounds cool  
Ow btw whats that reward? Just some crystals, a good weapon or what? Just interested

*Toadhead learns how to become a good cheater*

I don\'t think there\'s set rewards, just if you find something, depending on how potentially important the fix will be for the game, you\'ll get a few K\'s of Tria, or maybe some EXP... *shrugs* it just depends I guess. I\'m pretty sure the devs have done this before in MB, rewarding goodhearted people with a valuable weapon (a claymore or galkard) for their help and attitude.

[fken]

Originally posted by Moogie
I don\'t think there\'s set rewards, just if you find something, depending on how potentially important the fix will be for the game, you\'ll get a few K\'s of Tria, or maybe some EXP... *shrugs* it just depends I guess. I\'m pretty sure the devs have done this before in MB, rewarding goodhearted people with a valuable weapon (a claymore or galkard) for their help and attitude.

I think if somebody wont help developpers because they arent rewarded... they are not good enough to come in Yliakum playing with us !

What\'s that ?!! \"if I recieve no money I won\'t help!\". And at the same time : \"I hope the game will be always free!\"

There is no place for baby\'s brain in Yliakum ! and if you are just able to behave with your big self esteem please stay in your boring real life and let us in peace !