Is James and the Giant Peach bad for children?

[Bardialus]

Originally posted by Monketh
Most of the posts in this thread are very uninformed rants of people who feel oppressed or angsty.  I find most of them dull, very repetitive, and rather annoying.  The amount of Hate here is not productive and is entirely misdirected.  Bardialus seems to be the only voice of reason...

Originally posted by Monketh
Now, killing people, listening to metal, burning cars, etc.  won\'t help much.  Neither is Christianity the enemy.  
Here\'s what you need to do: Parents must be taught how to raise their children without resorting to book burning.  This means you need to make them learn about how they need to be informed.  Once that is done, you will have greatly lowered the amount of votes cast out of laziness, this makes politicians care less about censoring and focus on more (or less) important issues.
I guarantee they won\'t listen to you in your current state.  That yelling and screaming won\'t do; you must become professional.  You must look and act professional.  You must look like the establishment.  That means you can\'t say anything too outrageous to begin with, because then you won\'t be listened to ever again.  You\'ll also need positions of authority.  The opinions of the jobless & janitors are not respected very well.  And you\'ll have to stay off drugs, alcohol, etc: they can warp your mind, but even if they don\'t, people will think they did.

There are many valid points there, but to conform to the whole of society\'s ruling can lead to losing your identity.  Im not saying you should break the law. (thats why they are called laws in the first place, isnt it?)

To create a unified government establishment all aspects of society must be represented.  The bad sides of life will always be there and shouldn\'t be shunned or imposed with negative associations that verge in the extreme.  Doing that makes people feel oppressed and from that feeling comes further problems.
To truly understand people before you judge them, you must first be able to grasp the logic behind their choices.  If you cannot do this simple thing then you are naturally inclined to show bias, even without realising it.

Sometimes things are banned for a perceived legitimate reason, that is to say when people think they are right in their way of thinking, and have the qualities in which they can impress their thoughts onto others.  Prohibition was a prime example of a ill perceived reason for creating a law.  By making things survive in the depths of the underground, and by ignoring the problems and pretending that you control them you create a bigger problem that could spiral out of control.

Rather than creating further control over how and why we live our lives, isnt it time for us as sentient creatures (with morals dont forget) that we looked at the current legislations and analyse their effectiveness towards society?

[Noctis Lamnia]

It is impossible to create a perfect society.  There will always, and I mean ALWAYS be people who don\'t agree with it.  I agree that laws are there to protect you, but I SERIOUSLY don\'t feel protected.  What, with all the coverups, conspiracies, and Black Ops units out there.  I would rather the government at least ADMIT they existed than continue lying about them like they have been.

Also, taxes and stuff?  NO SENSE.  Heck, they\'ve put taxes on mp3 players... ****ing MP3 PLAYERS.

Originally posted by Monketh
Now, killing people, listening to metal, burning cars, etc. won\'t help much. Neither is Christianity the enemy.

No?  If Christianity isn\'t the enemy, what is?  According to them, EVERY OTHER RELIGION IS.  I just won\'t accept bigotry like that.  Christianity has taboo\'d every other religion out their, even the Catholic church.  Does this sound like welcoming, brotherly arms to you?

It doesn\'t to me.

Oh, and what happens when something isn\'t going the way the Christian church wants it to?  The Crusades.  THAT\'S what happens.  Needless bloodshed.

[Monketh]

By taxes on MP3 Players, do you mean the sales taxes that are put on all electronic gizmos?

First of all, The Crusades were centuries ago.  I refuse to hold modern Christians responsible for actions taken by their ancestors without their input.  Thank you for demonstrating left-ist ignorance.

Oh, and btw, ALL religions have to hold ALL OTHER religions as false in order to be true, it is not restricted to Christianity and never has been.  Your attitude is detrimental to furthering the causes of liberalism.

[Foresteer]

Originally posted by Monketh
Btw.  Techno PWNZORZ Metal!

the only things you have said i can agree with

plus years of dealing with said system have made me a little synical but not a voice of reason?

\"Oh, and btw, ALL religions have to hold ALL OTHER religions as false in order to be true, it is not restricted to Christianity and never has been. Your attitude is detrimental to furthering the causes of liberalism.\"

hmmm lets go to the judges.. awww i\'m sorry.. better luck next time though! all WESTERN \"christian-clone\" religions MUST do that... most other religions have the \"differnt paths going the same way\" philosiphy

and about sif.. don\'t worry most \"sheep\" find anything that defies what they have been told and tought by the system as crazy.. (funny that one religion prides themselves as being \"sheep\" XP) not against the single christian mind you.. the system of it as a whole is my enemy... of course my anti neo-con agenda is on hold.. as i am choosing flight over fight this time (why fight them when one could just swap dimmentions where they dont exsist? or swap time to when they could be easily fought?) (plus i am no politician.. i am a \"mad scientist\" )

~au revoir

[Monketh]

\"seems to be\"  Escape clause in the post you\'re refering to.

*sighs*
Anywho, on what basis do you make the distinction on a religion allowing others to be true?
Where is that one bothersome exception to the rule?
And does it work both ways?
Mind you I\'m talking about different religions, not variations on one of them.

Des americains parlent francais aussi, tu sais.  Mais repondez pas en francais.

[Foresteer]

lol not an escape cluase.. just if a electro-magnetic hole can be made into time/space why fight something i don\'t have to? i would rather explore and learn then bog myself down fighting.. the only reason i even fight things like neo-cons and the chrsitian system is that they hinder my learning to varying degrees

For instance buddism knows it has its path.. but also says there are other paths.. this is just the one buddha found.. \"you can take our path or find your own\" kind of thing they openly acknowledge there ARE others ways to seek enlightenment and traverse past this lowley dimmention

Yes, buddists alows that their path and any path you are on are equaly valid as per each person must use what meathod works best.. like one person may lift a box and carry it.. the other may pull it.. both end results are valid and worked.. one just may be more or less easy then another thats all..

And  buddism is its own religion not a variation of anything

[Bardialus]

Using the crusades was to establish that even that long ago there was religious bigotry, in fact it has occured throughout histroy.  All that changes are the people who do it and the people they target.

Modern christians are not as ignorant as their old counterparts, neither are they responsible for their actions either.  
But what should be explained is that through the ages the core belief system and structure has changed very little.  Although the tolerance of many church ideals has grown for the better.
The  problem is that although all these progressive changes have and will continue to occur, its very centre of \'rules\' has still to progress to the present day.  
If a religion is still basing its moralistic view on the world on old morals how can that be truly appropriate today?

I also believe that through fanaticism oppression breeds.  This is the major problem of relgions, many of the believers think that theirs is the way to enlightenment.  Any different opinions are regarded as threatening and the person is treated with disdain.  

Buddhism teaches that to believe in anything you must first believe in yourself, does it not?

If you are not strong enough of faith in that which you believe to be true, then you must always need assurance.  

Liberalism is also part of life, accept or fight it.  But to fight it think about the perceived freedom of self you are holding back.

[Monketh]

I lean moderately right, that means I like slow change.
I have taken liberal positions in the past, and I will do so in the future, that\'s part of being moderate.  I just don\'t have the attitude of the far-left nor do I want it.

Obviously, Neo-cons scare me as well, but I think I\'m a little kinder when it comes to naming who is or isn\'t one.  I would naturally consider it an insult to be called one.
And of course, the ultra-left is needed as a balance for the ultra-right.  If one of them were to drop off the face of the earth we\'d all be doomed.

Edit: And of course, this thread is confirming my theory that the number of crazed-maniacs and ignorant persons is equal on both sides.

[Bardialus]

Completely agree, with maniacs you know where you stand with them at least...around 40 feet away to be safest

[Foresteer]

\"i\'m not racist! i hate all people aside from other issues!\" XD i hate the far left almost as much as the far right.. lesser of two evils but just bearly.. i personly agree for most of society slow change is best... but for me since i think, learn and act at a rapid pace i get very annoyed when i only have about 80-100+ years depending on sceince to make either a discovery on life extention or other major advancement but i am being held back by \"science\" and \"society\".. and naturaly so :/ so i tend to work alone it helps with the society issues.. but that also makes the advancements much slower.. and i am not very liberal or conservitive.. i am a moderate green so but thats my main beef with most of the world.. its holding me back.. and i hate knowing what i am not knowing because people are to uptight (not to mention some of the double-standards are just so stupid you can\'t NOT get mad at them XD)

~au revoir

EDIT: know any good forums bard? like for the manner of wierd science i am into? never hurts to ask

[Bardialus]

well, its a tough one.  I mainly read papers on subjects and then spend a mahusive amount of time on the net surfing for the rest.  A long drawn out but worth it venture...But loads better than going to the library and scouring the shelves for one book!!!

Science as a whole is getting there, primarily due to the advent of liberalism believe it or not.  
Scene : victorian era school, and a student wants to do something that against all concepts known at that time.  Scan forward a few generations and now people are allowed; to an extent, to pursue previously unthought of technologies and methods.

Its about time!!!
This isnt a campaign for liberalism or any other form of politics!!

I think that soon enough advancements will be finally published into the general public and eventually we are not going to be so held back by the world

I think its a question of fear of progression, they feel threatened and pushed by the fact that humans as a species are evolving; metaphorically speaking, we have finally realised a little of our true potential as a species.

The real and perceived sociological and economical differences between people enables them to become trapped and not progress.  This is where true ignorance plays an important role in science, thanks to the fact that we accept more and more diffrences between us as people.

Edit: and James and the giant peach shows us that to get to the end we must not use our differences as weapons against each other, but as tools to help each other

[Foresteer]

Originally posted by Bardialus
well, its a tough one.  I mainly read papers on subjects and then spend a mahusive amount of time on the net surfing for the rest.  A long drawn out but worth it venture...But loads better than going to the library and scouring the shelves for one book!!!

holy crap thats the way I do it XD! I get like 5-20 books at a time though.. I am suprised every day my brain doesn\'t EXPLODE... i tend to forget old knowledge or just remeber it in gist though as i am learning a ton of new things each day.. can you recommend a method to remeber all this stuff then?

and as far as forums go this forum has been suprising good at the \"oddities\" of the multiverse as far as MMO game forums have gone (most of the off topic on every other game is like \"OMG hilary duff is tez KEWLZZZ!!!!1!!!111\" or \"Why sucks\") I appluase the open mindedness and inteligent chatter of the last week you\'ve restored some hope in this synical as to the next generations

also yes that is why i tend to lean left.. not to far though as feminazis suck as much as oil/war-mongers anything to get humans on that path away from the \"wheel of human history\" (War, Technology to win wars. War again, BIG war.. peace for 50 years.. WAR, warwarwarwarwar, Peace and technology, , Tech boom in weapons and last but not least a war that blows us back to the stone age)

~au revoir

[JellyWerker]

I am like foresteer, except I check out all the books they have on the subject.

[Bardialus]

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[Bardialus]

Originally posted by Foresteer
holy crap thats the way I do it XD! I get like 5-20 books at a time though.. I am suprised every day my brain doesn\'t EXPLODE... i tend to forget old knowledge or just remeber it in gist though as i am learning a ton of new things each day.. can you recommend a method to remeber all this stuff then?

Its how people are I suppose, some out there are lead by the desire to learn more and more things.  Remebering them...Thats easy, just be interested in them and always keep being interested...If Your interest starts to slacken find a new aspect of the same thing.  That way all the stuff about it you couldnt remember is in the subject.  You learn by expose to the core principles...When youve done that find a connecting or disputing aspect and further things about it become apparent