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[Incenjucar]

D&D is, however, the easiest to reference since they have setting info all over the web, are the most popular, etc.

Star Wars is \"Science Fantasy\", but still fantasy.

Still prefer to have something more \'classic\' than not.

But, thankfully, no IC sports page, only OOC stuff, so I don\'t give a hoot.

[Jakob]

Originally posted by Platyna
...She can move mountains on
Ojaveda and drop them into the hole.

Nice.  That\'s going to become something like \"shooting for the stars\"

Now, to the topic.  I think a newspaper is a great idea.  I wish to offer the best of luck and my best wishes.  As for those of you who are going on and on about the medieval stuff... I\'m reminded of one of my communication teachers modos (sp is horible.)) \"If you can\'t dazzle them with your intelligence, baffle them with your bull\"  You definately aren\'t doing the first one.  As has been said countless times before, Yliakum is not Europe, and on top of that, it\'s not China, Korea, Japan, Russia, the USA, Norway, Ireland, or any other of the hundreds of countries I could name.  It\'s Yliakum, and to limit it\'s technology by the standards of the occupants of Terra would be wrong.  As for you arguments about other technologies...  I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to drive a car up Hydlaa\'s streets, or any thing else for that matter.  On top of that, what part of a printing press makes you think that they could make something as simple as a bumper car?

PS.  I\'m not sure what good you think your doing buddha, constantly complaining about the mods, but it\'s not a very constructive thing to do.  I\'ve never seen you actually say what you have against the mods, only complaints.  Plus, constructive threads aren\'t the place for that anyway.  Keep in mind, I\'m not flaming you by any means, just a little constructive criticism

Edit: screwed up the phrase at the beginning of my post.

[Valbrandr]

I will register as well.  I like your idea... but I am sure you know you will have to spend a lot of time in game and out to get good insiteful information.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Jakob
I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to drive a car up Hydlaa\'s streets, or any thing else for that matter.

As has been said countless times before, Yliakum is not Europe, and on top of that, it\'s not China, Korea, Japan, Russia, the USA, Norway, Ireland, or any other of the hundreds of countries I could name. It\'s Yliakum, and to limit it\'s technology by the standards of the occupants of Terra would be wrong.

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Your comment about intelligence suddenly seems out of place, doesn\'t it?
I wouldn\'t want to see newspapers all around the Yliakum...
And the slight point is that for now there is none ingame. This is being sent by email, the point is that some people take it as far as ic thing.
There is no mention of nespaper in the PS setting. And for all we know it\'s fantasy medieval one. Now as far as I remember standard medieval fantasy setting has no newspapers. Whether you\'ll take the safe path or say \"It is all right for it to exist because setting isn\'t saying it doesn\'t\" depends only on you and your praised intelligence.

[Incenjucar]

It essentially comes down to this:

1) We have no idea what will and will not be available in PS.

2) The Devs will be the ones deciding this, not the players.

3) There will be people who will ignore the devs and play their own game, anyways.

4) Up until that point, it is much easier to assume a \'safe\' default as to what to expect.  Fantasy, while an extremely varied genre, has certain classic ideas within Western society.  These are largely focused on King Arthur, Dungeons and Dragons (esp. Greyhawk), and Lord of the Rings.   The more you stay within these ideas, the less likely you are to have to retcon when the game gets better defined.  If you have a printing press, and the devs say \"Printing presses won\'t be invented for years to come\", you either exist outside of the normal PS world, making you a pain in the rear to RP with, or you retcon and join the rest of us in the \'real\' PS world.  It is, however, so much easier to say, \"Hey, I found out that there are printing presses, I\'m gonna buy one!\".  Generally, minimalism is useful in unknown setting situations.

5) Object-oriented differences are one of the worst issues of setting difference you can bring about.  With vampires, if the devs decide \"Vampires absolutely do not in any way or form exist in PS\", those who aren\'t in to vamps can just continue thinking they\'re all a bunch of loons, others may decide they\'re loons as a player, but RP believing them, etc.  It\'s a heck of a lot harder, however, to go about RPing with someone who has this imaginary pile of paper called a \"Newspaper\" that they made with an imaginary device called a \"Printing Press\".

[Kaseijin]

Originally posted by Incenjucar
It essentially comes down to this:

1) We have no idea what will and will not be available in PS.

2) The Devs will be the ones deciding this, not the players.

Still it doesn\'t mean players can\'t suggest things. Right?
And that\'s all people are doing here mostly...suggesting.
Devs will decide what will be in... it does not mean they have to make it all up bythemselves. In fact if people suggest different things devs will have a better things to choose from when deciding what will be in. So instead of shooting down every idea that outside the cliche fantasy setting with sarcasm. Maybe you could suggest something  that would make it better.

Devs will decide what will be in which doesn\'t only the things they come up with will be in.

p.s.

i just thought of an idea...how neswpapers can be present without actual need for a printing press. Every tavern/temple/library would have a newsboard upon which a copy of paper with most recent local news will be placed on. Thus only with a few copies made by scribes a large audience could be reached. As these pieces of paper contain news they are called newspapers by people.
These papers were replaced on weekly basis. There no technological leaps....

[Draklar]

This is not Wish List forum, nor is this thread a suggestion one. It is however a thread about making an OOC newspaper. Something that shouldn\'t be brought in as an IC thing. If you want to have newspaper ingame, post in Wish List, or better use the search button.

But as long as there is no mention that newspapers indeed exist in Yliakum, it is as true as cell phones or cars. All belong to different time period and none belong in a standard (or decent for that matter) medieval fantasy setting.

You can read a newspaper, I can make a phone call and yet another guy can park his car behind the tavern. Just don\'t expect any decent roleplaying going around in Planeshift.

Edit: Newsboard is actually present in various medieval settings...

[confused]

When I started reading this thread it was an idea to create an external news paper (well vitual) where the happenings of the realm of Planeshift can told to the rest of the community, especially those who are infrequent in visiting PS.

Now it is talk about an actual news paper in PS for IC, well without a printing press in PS it is going to be rather hard to distribute newspapers. Thus in the times before the printing press you had the town crier shouting out the latest news and important decisions of the royal court.

So for PS IC newspaper is a no go, but an external OOC newspaper is fine by me.

[Incenjucar]

1) Haven\'t been using sarcasm.  Sarcasm involves saying something I don\'t mean to show how absurd it is.

2) As Draklar said, newsboards are fine and dandy.  Posts with notes pinned to them are also good.  Its the mass production of things that get problematic, considering that, as has been stated, its one of the marks of the -end- the the typical medieval period.  That and guns.

3) A town crier would be -awesome-.  A guild of them even better.

4) OOC Newspaper is also fine and dandy.  No issue with it.

[Under the moon]

Hold on there people. I just read this thread to see what all the hubub was about.

You talk about \'modern tek\', \'medieval settings\', OOC and IC newspapers. Many of you seem to think that a \'newspaper\' would be impossible in a \'medieval setting\' due to the lack of a printing press. But you are forgetting one thing. PS is not a medieval setting, it is a fantasy medieval setting. A true medieval setting does not have magic. Think about it.

What, you may ask, does magic have to do with a newspaper? First off...nothing. You would use scrolls. But once you get past that, magic would have everything to do with it. The problem with a news-scroll is mass production. You can\'t have mass media without mass production. This is where magic comes in. If I can pull a giant arrow out of the ground and hurl it at an enemy or summon lightning from the clear sky, I can sure as hell make a pen move. For that matter, I can make an entire roomfull of pens move. Imagine thousands of pens magicaly following the movements of one solitary scribe. Instant mass production. In fact, can you really see a society with magic\'s abilities not doing something like this? Come on, people allways find the easy way out. I know I would. It would even look cool in-game, and create a new NPC.

This, however, does not mean I support news-scrolls. I prefer to remain neutral. But I thought I should show how it could be done in the PS setting, and give the nay-sayers something to chew on.

[Kaseijin]

man you just resetted the whole argument... and most of us came to some sort of concensus.

THANKS A LOT!

worst of all you provide wood for the argument...and then say you are neutral. Come ooooon.

[Under the moon]

I only walk the path Fate sets before me. Nothing more, nothing less. It takes me to both sides of the fence.

*waits for Draklar to descend on him while he calmly sits on the fence reading the latest ten tria adventure scroll he bought at Kada\'s*

[Incenjucar]

Moon:  Welcome to Eberron.

[confused]

Originally posted by Incenjucar
Moon:  Welcome to Eberron.

Oh, you just had to say it!

[Incenjucar]

*waits for all the arguments for player-owned warforged*

\"They\'re golems, not robots!\"  \"They\'re like robots, not golems!\"  \"They\'re like Gollum, only with less of a personality disorder!\" \"Yo Mama!\"