Summery and More: Vampires, Werewolfs, and the people who hate them.

[Verrliit]

Spurs jingle, as Verrliit steps up to the fence, and puts one boot on the lower rail.  She chews thoughtfully on the straw in her mouth, pushes her hat up a trifle with one finger, and drawls:

\"Actually Demarthl, you gets draggin\' milk from a cow with short legs.\"

\"But I ain\'t seen a one of them critters around here, for quite a stretch.\"  



The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Verrliit
Verrliit bows to Valbrandr.

Thank you for controlling your flame-bait reflexes and taking the time to actually read my posts carefully; for realizing that I spoke of Role-Play alone; and for understanding that this is something I see, not one of my goals.

Perhaps it is my own fault and ineptitude, but I find the organization of the Forums is nearly impenetrable, and the search engine nearly useless.

With this as excuse, please pardon my ignorance of history, and answer what doubtlessly are stupid questions:

What is the source of the phobia against dragons?  I have no desire to introduce them into the ecosystem of PS either, but surely they can be mythical and mere decoration, without causing harm?

And for the last time I will mention it:
I have no desire to bring Vampires into PS either, but if you call them Lifestealers or some such, they just use Leech spells, there is no bloodsucking, and no crosses, holy water etc, how is that a problem?

Surely if it is done this way, those who love such things are then allowed to play with them.  The setting and flavor of PS is preserved, and...

Everybody wins.



The Dark Lady
Verrliit

In total agreement with you here. We already let people use the word \'dragon\' ingame, assuming it does not mean the traditional reptilian fire-breathing legend from Earth mythology. And there\'s absolutely nothing wrong with people using leech spells and the like as long as they\'re not traditional vampires. The real issue here are Earth-world references. Anything is fine to RP in PlaneShift, as long as it fits with the setting (fantasy-medieval) and pre-determined acceptances within the community and Dev team.

[Verrliit]

Thank you Moogie.

To generalize from this example, I see the purpose of this prohibition is to prevent deeply ingrained reflexive thoughts, like religious dogma and political positions from distorting the world picture.


Verrliit bows deeply to the wise and learned sage, Moogie, and wistfully bids goodbye to the notion of a dangerous and Evil terrorist guild, bent on world domination, named for a political party, and other such high-profile lampooning.

In the hope that more obscure references will be permitted, She contemplates instead the opening of a Dojo, to instruct in the ancient art of Tai Kwan Leap, so that she might bring wisdom to those who cannot approach it any other way.

That is, as soon as the Devs enable a \"Boot to the Head\" attack.


The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[lukus]

Let vampires in the game, then we\'ll all hunt down count dracula and they\'ll all be gone...  simple, sorted, bich, bash... no need to add them into the game. Just remeber the film \"Underworld\", looked cool but it actually sucked... and it was all about vampires and lycans (warewolfs)

As to the biting to become a vampire, how did the first vampire become a vampire, if there were no vampires to bite him?   This is simply movie material, i.e. fictional. I\'m for undead creatures, but not vampires, they have many contradicting values even against the *true* myths, not just the movie material.

As per warewolf, the same thing goes really.  Have a beast like race (which i believe we already do, however thier more feline-like (Enkidukai) while there could be a more *beast*-like race for ye\' warewolf loverz)

There was a game i onced played on the saga saturn, i think it was called \"Dragon Force\"? While the game wasn\'t capable of adding realism in the effect that, sunlight would kill a vampire, they had a vampire character you could get, and a couple of dragon-like characters.    And i must say that was an awsome game and awsome chracters.  You could call them what you like in all honesty, it was the fact that the characters looked great, not because he was a blood sucking vampire.

So what is my point? possible add \"characters\" that would fill the catergory of being a vampire, dragon, etcc. in apearance, just dont call them a vampire or a dragon... I don\'t think many people actually care if it\'s a fire-breathing dragon that can fly aslong as there is something that looks like a dragon.

You could quite possibly introduce a moral system. similar to the \"paths\" you can pick for magic or similar (havn\'t read much of the manual sorry) so you can take an evil path, netural path or a good path... etc.. if you take the evil path of undead-ness :s maybe a couple of skins should become avliable that makes the character look more sinister, or for the purposes of this thread, more vampire like?

[Verrliit]

Sigh.

*Boot to the head.*


The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[wolfrunner]

Well I got what i wanted from this thread. Every ones opinions. Flame or not.

The paths idea is something that would be better to effect the world and learn whos on your side and whos not. Skins like i talked about where like that, But a good skin thats new. Also a necromancy with zombies for the dark path. Rase the dead. I will post a new tread types. As for summery and more i think thats dead for now. Untill i do more serches on cooking farming and alchamey (herbs not medals) and mabey a few magic threads. Im just here to ressurect dead threads and stuff. And hopefully add a more personal feel.

I dident know this would be this big of a topic.

[zanzibar]

I think it\'s a bad idea, however I will say this:

It would be interesting to have some players as \"Evil\" in the sense that they can attack players without asking.  At the same time, \"not evil\" players can attack them without asking as well.


To explain what I\'m thinking further.... we can\'t have vampires, but lets say we have something else.... we\'ll call them vamps.  If you\'re a vamp, things are normal, except you make your living ripping the hearts out of normal players.  You just go around killing people.  You would have to talk to them first, because you would want to get them isolated from the group, or maybe draw them to the rest of your pack.  This part is important because as soon as you kill them, everyone nearby will see the message \"XXXXX has killed YYYYY!  XXXXX is a vamp!\"  and they will all come rushing in to kill you.


Something like this could add some more colour to the game.  There would have to be safe guards against negging etc, but at the same time maybe the possiblity for negging is good because it would give the Defenders, the Protectors, and the Dragon Council a real reason to exist.

[druke]

Thats the same thing as PvP Teams..

*thinks of WoW*

*barfs*

Seriously though cant you be a little more creative?

vampires are for those 15 your old poser-gothic kids who wish they had family problems, and even though they dont still flap out lines like \"you don\'t know what i\'ve been through\"...

oh.. my bad *gets off the soap box*

anyways, cant you make something original up??

[wolfrunner]

Well i think i have to right a story. this team pvp. Vamp-style intrests me.

[zanzibar]

I\'ve never in my life played world of warcraft, so don\'t rag on me for not being creative.  Besides, the goal here is to improve planeshift, not to play one-upmanship games.

[Cyl]

Originally posted by druke
vampires are for those 15 your old poser-gothic kids who wish they had family problems, and even though they dont still flap out lines like \"you don\'t know what i\'ve been through\"..

The only thing I have to say bout this: Be A Nonconformist in 5 Simple Steps

[Seytra]

Any sort, and I mean any sort, of open PvP is bound to be abused. There must be no way to attack someone without their consent.

@ Cyl: I love that comic. It\'s so true.

[druke]

you know seytra, you don\'t have very much faith in anyone do you? ..you sound like my step mother....

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by druke
you know seytra, you don\'t have very much faith in anyone do you? ..you sound like my step mother....

He\'s right though.

[Externals]

Talking about PVP...

Asking for someones consent in real life to attack someone is non-existent. In any reality.. fictional, real, modern/olden times... I mean seriously, how messed up would it be, to be mad at some1 for something and ask.. hey can i attack you?.. Accept: YES/NO..

Come on.. seriously thats obserd.. no offense to anyone but thats my opinion. As for the abuse part, there will always be abusers.. who abuse rules.. Its called a ban guys.. lol