The Klyros now recruiting

[Talamir]

(a language which doesn\'t exist in Yliakum, BTW)

Latin doesn\'t exist. exactly. That means You call us Atrox Interfecio. Two words with no meaning. Only a title..since there IS no latin *rolls eyes*

[Phinehas]

Talamir\'s right about Atrox Interficio. It doesn\'t make it a great guild name, but he\'s still right.

As for your suggestion Dandamis. It\'s lame and sad. The Order of the Balanced Klyros? It\'s like you glued a bunch of words together. There\'s no rhyme, no rythm. It doesn\'t even sound good if you say it out loud.

[Dandamis]

Alright, well i\'m not all that attached to the suggestion anyway, but I still think it\'s the best one offered here. Of course, you 2 above and others of similar ilk will disagree and that\'s what makes these games fun and interesting:  I wouldn\'t expect members of an evil \"terrible killers\" to agree with much that a good-natured clan says or thinks.

Personally I don\'t think Reptilian Enclave *sounds* that bad phonetically, but to me it sounds like a lame spin-off of \"the felines lair\" which I don\'t really care for either, but that\'s just my 2 trias.

My only real point in my 2nd post (besides the fact that I forgot to add the side notes in my original post) is that this is a thread who\'s focus is supposed to be in helping Orndorff with his guild.  I don\'t see how it helps when all you do is say \"that\'s lame\" or \"sarcasm right?\"  

Everyone has opinions, and if you can get a roomful of 10 people to agree, you\'re doing good - much less a whole online community.  So it goes without saying that ANY suggestion is going to be balked at by some - and by actually being one of those persons and *posting* your negative comments all you do is assert that you value your opinions more than the opinions of others.  Which is *EXACTLY* the kind of behavior you\'d expect from an evil guild and *EXACTLY* the kind of thing that this guild is NOT about.

What would really be helpful, are *SUGGESTIONS* that you find better.  It\'s easy to bash someone elses ideas, but not helpful.  It would be really helpful, on the other hand, if you put your trias where your spout is and offered a suggestion you like better.

[ramlambmoo]

I know! Why dont you call your guild the Krazy Killing Kylros! Then you would.. oh wait.  Never mind.

(Jokes, no offense to anyone who is likely to get offended..)

[Phinehas]

*laughs out loud*

Wow. Interesting mix. First you come out with the fact that you dislike originality, since that\'s basically what you\'re saying. Reptilian Enclave is waaay more original than the Order of Balanced Klyros, or whatever.

Then you come in with the naivety. You seriously think a heartfelt plea like that is going to stop people from posting their opinions, sarcasm, or humor?

[Orndorff_Trolls]

That is a fairly good suggestion Dandamis but  pinehas has a point, It has no rythm... *I have yet to see a name that rhymes* except I don\'t think the name has to rhyme... were not writing a poem. And it just seems a little long... which is why I settled with the name \"The Klyros\" in the first place, because it was short.

[Dandamis]

How about a combination of the two suggestions:  

The Reptilian Order

I don\'t like \"enclave\" for the same reason I don\'t like \"lair\" - it refers to a place rather than a collection of people with a similar aim / ideal.  ie. The Reptilian Order might have their headquarters at the Reptilian Enclave...

Or did you mean that you\'re now decided to stick with The Klyros, which is a *little* plain, but still OK with me.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Of coarse its OK with you, you joined me :tongue:

But first, I would like to hear a little more criticism about the name you just now suggested *laughs*

I just realized that most of the people, except Druke, have been telling us we have bad \"naming skills\" (if there is such a thing) and not giving any suggestions except to think up a better one.

But I think Reptilian Order would be a good name... it sounds better than that long one you suggested before , I am going to Qedosh\'s house today so I\'ll consult with him.

[Talamir]

The reptilian Order..Thats actually pretty decent, good even. I like it, 1 1/2 thumbs up. Your naming skillz0rz has been raised by 1

[Seytra]

OK, first of all: I very much dislike race-specific guilds. I think they should not be allowed.
Secondly, while \"The Reptile Enclave\" surely is a lot like \"The Felines Lair\", it\'s still better than the other suggestions I have seen posted here so far. I still don\'t like it due to it\'s copy-cat-edness.
Thirdly, \"a little RP\" most definitely does not suffice in order to overcome the negative feelings I have towards race-specific guilds.

Edit: Reptilian Order is decent, aye. /Edit

Then again... maybe we should save the good names for the decent guilds.

As for latin: Talamir is not right. It absolutely doesn\'t matter that there is no latin in PS (in fact, it makes the entire thing even worse by forcing in things that don\'t exist in PS). There also are no computers in PS, but does that mean that a guild called \"The Computer Wizards\" would be acceptable? Totally not!
The only thing that helps that is that few people know enough latin to translate it, but the same goes for a lot of languages.

[Talamir]

As for latin: Talamir is not right.

Blame Amheh, he gave me that idea and all others.

BTW: That wasn\'t a que to start an arguement. I think both of us can see that this will be one of those endless totally two sided things..But come on. Atrox Interficio. I\'ll rename us to the terrible killers then -.-

[Orndorff_Trolls]

The only way that this guild is like the Felines Lair is because its race specific and we help everyone.
I actually got my first ideas from reading about the Mirth Guild because when I asked a question about creating a guild on another topic, Pinehas told me that I should look at other guilds to see whats out there even if I thought I knew everything about creating a guild.

Originally posted by CadRipper
As I said, just check a few other posts that present new guilds, if you\'re unsure about what to do

Originally posted by Phinehas
In fact, do it even if you think you\'re sure about what to do.

[Dandamis]

In response to Seytra, I really want to comment:

I actually turned down the invitation to join originally largely due to that exact sentiment (not liking the idea of race-specific guilds), but after reading the Great PlaneShift History (and the in-game description of the race) I changed my mind.  Klyros share a strong sense of brotherhood with their own race and they are the only race to have strong enough free will to refuse Laanx\'s commands when first brought to Yliakum.  It makes very good sense that Klyros would want to join together with their own kind.

[Seytra]

@ Dandamis: this sounds a lot like the usual racist arguments of \"We are superiour\". :tdown:
So how about the dwarves, who \"have a great pride of their race\"? Will they also have a race-specific guild? What about all the non-Klyros atheists? What about the Klyros who actually are not atheists?

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The only way that this guild is like the Felines Lair is because its race specific and we help everyone.

/me waits for \"The Human Congregation\" (Ylians only), \"The Human Embassy\" (Xacha only), \"The Watery Pool\" (Nolthrir only), \"The Pointy-ears Lot\" (Dermorians only), \"The Dwarven Mine\" (Stonebreakers only), \"The Dwarven Forge\" (Hammerwielders only), \"The Aesthetic Brotherhood\" (Lemurs only), \"The Rocky Ones\" (Kran only), \"The Pleasant Consorts\" (Diaboli only), \"The Giant Fellowship\" (Ynnwns only) that do the same as the FL and RO for the respective races. :rolleyes:

Yes, I know that there is an elves-only guild already. :tdown:

@ Talamir: I was going to mention the DeT and IT along with AI, yes.

[Dandamis]

Nowhere is there any thought that Klyros are superior - do you really not understand the concept of brotherhood?

What about women\'s groups and men\'s groups?  Men and women have definite different interests and cultural biases etc.  therefore there are plenty of organizations dedicated to only one gender - does this mean that they have any resentment towards the other gender?  Or that they are superior?  Not hardly.  But they find strength and value in their fraternity.  And I quote from the beliefs section of the web-site:  \"Every race is equal, every man is equal\"

I don\'t see this as precluding alliances with guilds of similar goals regardless of race.

As for the religious question, I don\'t see the relevance.  It isn\'t a religious guild.  It is one of good alignment but that\'s as close as it gets.  As for non-good Klyros, they can organize however they want, lol.  Obviously they won\'t want to be part of this guild.  And just because your a Klyros doesn\'t guarantee you admitance either, so perhaps your preconceptions are just not quite on target.  Have you bothered to read the web-site?