a thought about that hurricane

[Taurenthefirst]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
... I am a history and Political Science major.  I have about a year and a half left...

is it just me or does it seem like political science majors always are the most incorrect about everything political? no offense valbrandr, you seem intelligent enough to me, i beleive your political science classes have just screwed up your actual sense in politics... not that i would actually know, since i never knew you before your political science classes anyway...

well, i have been trying to not get in any more political arguements on these boards because no good ever comes of them... one side never wins, no one ever convinces the other side they are wrong...
but, just for the fun of it, i\'m gonna argue some more!

[arguement]
i pretty much agree with everything derwoodly hatchnet said, so you know my side of the arguement now!

however, the last derwoodly\'s last post is completely against what i beleive.  yes i am from redneckland, and my family is not wealthy (although we are not homeless either) and my parents aren\'t really \"educated\" as i define the word (college education), but i am 100% absolutely against the goverment giving free stuff to anyone except the disabled, otherwise it is a form of communism. think about it, taking money from the rich, giving it to the poor, yeah it sounds like robin hood and all that, but it is completely different.  rich people have to work their ass of to be rich.  either that or have an inheritacne or win the lottery, which are the exceptions, and are so unlikely that for the sake of arguement i will through them out the window.  people who are poor are usually poor because of their own mistakes (my family for example, my father is a retard when it comes to spending money properly.  he is up to his eyeballs in debt, and our family does not deserve to just get free money from the more well off families.)    it infringes on the rights of wealthier people to take their money and give it to people who made mistakes.  however, that is not the main problem with giving people free stuff, the main problem goes back to the fundamentals of communism, if people get the same amount of money (or less, but still enough to live on) as someone else, for doing less work,  why in the world would the do the same amount of work? there is no incentive.  that\'s why communism never works... no one ever has a reason to work hard (btw, i\'m not saying this is a communist system, i\'m saying it shares some similarites.)

i do agree with open border with mexico being a problem, and i agree drilling alaska won\'t do anything to the environment there... things don\'t live under the ground (that\'s where the oil is by the way) and really everything above ground or above the sea (sorry i\'m not familiar with exactly where the reserves are in alaska) is pretty unintrusive...

oh man, now i\'m all angry about how stupid environmentalist ideals are...

a few years back, there was a forest fire in california, and there were some hikers trapped in the middle, and there was no place for choppers to land to pick them up etc. etc. in other words, no one could rescue them except by putting the fire out... so the choppers were gonna bring water from a lake nearby to put out the fire, but then some moron environmentalists told them they couldn\'t get water from the lake because some stupid endangered species of fish lived there, and they were afraid the choppers would pick up the fish in with the water... so the choppers had to go to a further away lake to get water, and they didn\'t make it back in time and the people were killed.  people died for some stupid fish.  and even if environmentalists care for nature more than human life, a whole bunch of trees were burned down too, and the habitat of many animals destroyed... but since some stupid fish wasn\'t strong enough to survive as a species (i do somewhat beleive an natural selection to an extent) all that was destroyed and peole died...
[/arguement]

sorry, everyone has probably already heard of that, it\'s old news, but i got fired up and needed to vent

anyway, since this is about the hurricane, were any ps members affected by the hurricane?

[derwoodly]

That was a bit of Sarcasm.  I don\'t vote for Republicans because they give me free stuff.  I vote for them because Democrats have ignored my segment of the population.  I use to be a Democrat, but now that they are the party for the lets love everyone but the white male.  I have to vote Repulican just so I can have some sense of diginity.   The Democrats are now the pary of contradictions, as soon as they decide what they stand for and recognize that light skined males that were flannel are part of the rainbow, I might go back.

Did I miss anything Val?

[JellyWerker]

STOP USING THIS FORUM TO PRESENT YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS!

It\'s annoying and leads to useless flames and arguments, lets not start another peta racoon topic... *rolls eyes*

Edit: I congradulate you tauren, for having a head when others don\'t. Enviromentalists can say all they want, but when it comes down to it, humans>animals, I mean look at us, we have technology! they don\'t, we are able to form governments, etc... and they can\'t.

[Valbrandr]

Oh I love a good political arguement.  

First, you think poor people are poor and it is all their own fault.  You dont think circumstances.. like a person being born into poverty... how often do those people become rich?  And ask yourself about the rich people.. was it because they were so good at whatever?  What about all the rich people living off old money?  

I would say it is more likely that people born into rich families become rich and people born into poor families may make strides but in many ways are still poor.  I have always been poor.  I am the first person in my family to attended college.  Many years my family lived right above the poverty line.. and my parents worked their asses off.  So if you are a redneck but not actually poor then please dont tell me about poor people.  

Secondly, what  exactly is wrong with Communism other than how it has been implemented?  Do you actually know anything about Communism.. have you read any of Marx\'s writings or anything stating how it was supposed to be?  And getting to the government helping people?  Why shouldnt they?  I feel since they tax us then they should filter the money back into the United States.  Back to the people who need it most.. I guess if you were on that end of the stick.. you might understand.  Not to mention what about the minorities in this country?  They make quite a bit less on average then the majority ( white people).. is this fair?  They have to pay the same bills.. if the system is not already fair then someone shoulld try to make it so.  If government didnt loom over businesses in America think about how much money you would be making and what minimum wage would be at.  

Hmm I wonder what you would think about many of the European countries about how they run things?  Many countries have figured a few things out.  It is about the people.. not how much money you can make... it is every family who calls themselves Americans (or whatever).  People get so rapped up in politics and being politically correct they forget what is most important.  The same thing has happened here.. and yes I mean PS.  The Community itself in a way is crumbling it seems.  

yes I am an idealist.. you can fault me for that if you want to... but I will never forget what is most important in life.. and that is not money.  It is the people.. and their families.  You tell me why they dont deserve help if they need it?  I personally hate the idea of a hierarchy.  Most things could be made fair.. but you will always have those who think you get what deserve.  

And btw... just cause you live in the south.. you can still disagree with the president once in a while.  He is just one person whos views are as skewed as everyone elses.

Edit:  and I am not a democrat.. Im a Socialist.  But it is not that the democratic party has forgot about white males.. they just remembered that everyone else is just as important and we should attempt to make everyone equal.. because as it stands. we are not equal.  yes white males are the next group deciminated against.. this is true... but I assume your education was just fine and it will be your own fault if you dont make it.  Talk to someone who lived in the inner city school who was passed through the system.  But I guess, either way it will be their fault for not moving out of that area and not making it as well as the average white person.  

[Efflixi Aduro]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
STOP USING THIS FORUM TO PRESENT YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS!

It\'s annoying and leads to useless flames and arguments, lets not start another peta racoon topic... *rolls eyes*

No
If you dont like it dont read the thread. Some people enjoy talking about politics and though their opinions may conflict they are still just talking, they cant really hit eachother.

The forum is a place to talk and if people want to talk about politics they are more than welcome to as long as they keep a mature conversation going, not a flamefest.

[JellyWerker]

communism doesn\'t work, that\'s what\'s wrong with it, it depends on having perfect humans, and there are no perfect humans, someone will always get greedy and it will ruin the whole thing.

I\'ll write more against your stupidity later, got to go dogsit.

[Valbrandr]

Haha my stupidity?  Who said that Communism is going to work today.  It is a process, in which you pass through a Capitalist nation (America), to a Socialist nation (pick on of the countries in Europe but not so much Britain or Eastern Europe) and then it eventually moves into Communism.  One requirement is for people to be more inteligent then they are today.  Yes.. people like you would mess it up for all of us, if it happened today because people will abuse any system in the current state of things.  But this is another conversation for later.. we are already preoccupied.

[Cooldewd]

so bush made a tornado to hide oil and iraq?

lol why didn\'t he just pretend to choke and die then people would think he was almost assassassinated.

[DepthBlade]

Ok ok ok...stop think about what you all have just said...think about the hurricane and the possible thousands of people that died and hundreds of thousands or possible millions who lost their homes...their city...everything...now read over what you guys have wrote one more time...slowly edit it and replace it with \"I am an idiot for writing suspicions and stupid thoughts instead of mourning for a significant loss of life and achievement.\"

[Valbrandr]

Hmm didnt know you cared about anything the way you treat people Depth.  Everyone mourns for them but should we have a hundred posts of people saying how sorry they are and whatnot?  That would become so cliche.. yes we care but I myself am talking about what has been happening for the last what 3 years where gas prices have gone up and up.  In another day or so they will be triple what they were 8 years ago where I live.  That is outragous. Which is completely a different issue then \"Hey, I dont care about what happened to the thousands of people down south.. I just want gas to be affordable.\"

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Hmm didnt know you cared about anything the way you treat people Depth.  Everyone mourns for them but should we have a hundred posts of people saying how sorry they are and whatnot?  That would become so cliche.. yes we care but I myself am talking about what has been happening for the last what 3 years where gas prices have gone up and up.  In another day or so they will be triple what they were 8 years ago where I live.  That is outragous. Which is completely a different issue then \"Hey, I dont care about what happened to the thousands of people down south.. I just want gas to be affordable.\"

Valbrandr I have a question for you; How much petrolium product do you consume in your day to day life?

Now take that number and multiply it by a few billion and you will have one of the main reasons why prices for petrolium products are on the rise.

Rember petrolium is a nonreplenishable reasourse the more that is used up the more it\'s value will rise.

[JellyWerker]

valbrandr, if you saw 10 million dollars that you could have simplyy by taking it, even if it would hurt other people, would you take it? don\'t say no, that would be a lie, there is no one who wouldn\'t, communism doesn\'t need people to be more intelligent, it needs people to be perfect, and that will never happen

/me realises why he left the ps community in the first place... and starts packing... elysiun is so much more intelligent on average

[Valbrandr]

Realizing you have a problem is the first step Jerry.  If you dont know what your problem is, is that you, for some odd reason, think everyone else is like you.  Im sorry I dont believe in a defined Human Nature.  There are more people than myself who would not take the money.  And your way of thinking is exactly what I have been talking about this entire time.  There are things more important than money.  I dont love money.. infact I hate it because it basicially makes people act stupid/in a way that they would not normally.  Hopefully you understand what I mean... because you seem to be one of them.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Realizing you have a problem is the first step Jerry.  If you dont know what your problem is, is that you, for some odd reason, think everyone else is like you.  Im sorry I dont believe in a defined Human Nature.  There are more people than myself who would not take the money.  And your way of thinking is exactly what I have been talking about this entire time.  There are things more important than money.  I dont love money.. infact I hate it because it basicially makes people act stupid/in a way that they would not normally.  Hopefully you understand what I mean... because you seem to be one of them.

Valbradr there are other things than money that elicite greed.

 Power, sex, pleasure, anger, revenge, the list goes on and on. And I am more than willing to bet that you have fallen prey to more than one of these greeds. After all there is no perfect man and there never will be.

[Valbrandr]

Yes I see what you are saying.  But the problem here is that you dont know me.  So dont make assumptions about who I am.  I am obviously not like either of you.  you can take that however you want.. but it seems as though we prize very different things.