Fellow PSers, take a second and make a difference.

[JellyWerker]

Efflixi: What I am saying is that history is cyclic, to a point, and it is not humanities duty to right the wrongs of history, but to learn from them, prepare, and see to it that they don\'t happen again. Edit: as previously stated.

That\'s not to say I don\'t sympathise with the armenians, but if you gave the armenians their land back, you\'d have to give turkey it\'s land from russia, greece has claims over in that area too, india wants part of china, and vice versa, and all sorts of places are in the same situation of having an old claim to land that they no longer posess. But for the US to pressure one country to give it back would start a chain reaction, we\'d have india clamoring at us to pressure china, etc... Plus I think that our government doesn\'t need to be in other governments business except when it comes to nukes or terrorism.

[tangerine]

... and finally the USA would have to return their land back to the Indians .... ;-)

[JellyWerker]

that too I like my land, I\'ll keep it

[Cha0s]

Are any of you aware that the entire country of Jordan used to be part of Israel? How about all the Palestinians in Israel? That land has changed hands so many times that you can\'t really say it belong to this group or that group. Currently, there\'s a semblance of balance in the region so it stays the way it is. Now imagine if Jordan were forced to give a large chunk of its land to Israel? There\'d be wars over it.

While the Armenians do deserve some repayment, there\'s no easy way to do it without causing other conflicts.

[tangerine]

> Are any of you aware that the entire country
> of Jordan used to be part of Israel?

When ? I don\'t really think so.

[Xordan]

Europe and north africa used to be the Roman Empire... Lets give it all back.

[JellyWerker]

but wait, it belonged to carthage to at one point, until the romans conquured them, so who do we give it to?

[tangerine]

Seriously, nations often took land of other nations or commited genocides in the history but this Armenian tragedy is still relatively \"fresh\" (90 years ago) and huge. Frankly I don\'t think that they can do much more about it than getting some kind of apologize ... nobody will give up stolen land unless the issue is really fresh and they have a reason like Israel.

[JellyWerker]

90 years is fresh? I think we should take action if it was 10 years to present, but 90 years?

[Efflixi Aduro]

For God damn millionth time, THE ARMENIANS WHERE SUPPOSED TO GET THIER LAND BACK IRGHT AFTER THE WAR BUT WW2 INTERFERED AND THEY COULDN\'T. Also, please don\'t joke around in this thread it\'s a serious topic to me and I\'d appreciate some respect.

Originally posted by Valbrandr

Oh and thanks a lot Val. Oh ya Armenians basicly hate Azerbejanians and Turks, but wouldn\'t you hate a country that killer 1500000 of your people then denied it?

Efflixi reread my post.  You misunderstood everything I said.  I was talking about what my Armenian professor along with Azerbijian professors were trying to do about a bad situation.  Because if I am not mistaken not that long ago the two countries went to war against one another?  I understand this situation effects you more than me.. but read with your eyes not with your heart.. Im on your side.

Val there never was a war. There is one instance in which Azerbejan came and tried taking a peice of land that the armenians owned and the armenian people who lived on that land fought back until th UN told Azerbejan to stop invading Armenia.

[JellyWerker]

tell me efflixi: how did the ottoman persecution affect you? I am sorry but I just can\'t see your point of view on this, I think you need to reread your thread and reconsider your stance on this issue, and not be bull headed.

/me makes a new warcry: Remember the racoon thread!

Edit: Misspellings.

[Valbrandr]

Obviously this topic means something to him Jerry.  So why be a damn idiot about it?  he can have whatever feelings he wants and doesnt have to explain them to you.  And maybe in some ways it doesnt affect him as much.. but what about his parents/ entire family, his heritage.. and I understand I dont have to argue his side. But instead him coming back and completely going off on you.  So just stop being a damn idiot as usuall and let him keep the thread clean and open.. there doesnt need to be a debate here he is just looking for a few people who cna help in a simple way as just email your congressmen.

Europe and north africa used to be the Roman Empire... Lets give it all back.

Yes if the Roman Empire was promised to get it back and it existed.. then sure.

[JellyWerker]

oh great, you had to join the thread...

btw, it\'s jelly, or jellywerker, not jerry

[Valbrandr]

So why be a damn idiot about it?

Exactly Jerry.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
tell me efflixi: how did the ottoman persecution affect you? I am sorry but I just can\'t see your point of view on this, I think you need to reread your thread and reconsider your stance on this issue, and not be bull headed.

* Karyuu makes a new warcry: Remember the racoon thread!

Edit: Misspellings.

No you know what guys, jellywOrker is right. They killed 1,500,000. My great grandparants had to flee to Iran. Their homes are now part of Turkey, I cant even see where my family grew up. But its the past. I should \"let go\" of the land my family and race has lived on since before recorded history. Heck, go you basterds at turkey kill all of us and take every last bit of land we have, who cares soon enough it will be \"a problem of the past\". For God\'s sake my Turkish friend even thinks of taking the turkish the armenians should be payed reparations. Jellyfish I\'m going to go kill 1,500,000 of your people and lets let it go for 50 years, because then it won\'t matter anymore. What are you a turkish politition or somthing. Get a life and get a more tolerant view on the subject intead of taking the turkish side for whatever stupid reasons you have. My people were killed and you come and give this bull. Ive met people as intolerant and disrespectful as you before, I\'ve beaten the crap out of two of them for making fun of the armenian genocide. Just because this didnt happen to you to you have such a stupid view on this. Just stop posting on this thread I posted this expecting some tolerant and respectful replies on the bull you\'re posting. Could somone lock this thread until the community becomes more respectful and tolerant, thankyou.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]