Baddest of the Bad?

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Draklar
Umm, if I may ask... What exactly is the point of such war?

To win.

Duh. :baby:

[yayoo]

To have fun, theres nothing to do recently

[Draklar]

Originally posted by yayoo
To have fun, theres nothing to do recently :(

I should make myself more clear :P
I asked for a role-playing reason.

[yayoo]

The evil people are in it to take over the world and the good people are in it to stop them.Something like that.

[Draklar]

And what happens with the neutral people? They just watch the war without making any attempt to stop the evil ones from enslaving them? I think naturally it is the neutrals who defend from evil ones taking over.
Like in LOTR, forces such as Gondor were rather neutral...

[yayoo]

But why not join the Evil ones if they seem in be winning?Anyway that just adds to the experiance of a real war.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by yayoo
But why not join the Evil ones if they seem in be winning?Anyway that just adds to the experiance of a real war.

Because they can\'t be trusted.
Because your friends will suffer.
Because you don\'t feel like fighting those who try to protect you.
Because your loved ones will turn away from you.
Because of connections with government (belonging to a city or such).
Because you don\'t want to see your homelands enslaved.

[yayoo]

What if you friends and loved ones went and joined the Evil side with you?And if you were givein land and money to join the Evil side, then I don\'t see a reason not to.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by yayoo
And if you were givein land and money to join the Evil side, then I don\'t see a reason not to.

I already said they cannot be trusted. They wouldn\'t have problems with throwing you into dungeons after they win the war.
And honestly, I can\'t picture characters like Nilaya or Karyuu joining the dark side. In same way I can\'t picture enough of neutral/good characters joining the dark side for care for friends and loved ones to not be the issue.

And I forgot to mention:
Because of anti-evil propaganda.

[yayoo]

Personally I think saying you neutral is saying you are good.To be truely neutral would mean if you saw someone doing something bad to someone else you wouldn\'t do anything to help the victim but that would be doing something bad wouldn\'t it?But if you helped this person that means you would be doing something good.So I basically think there are no neutral people only good ones,really good ones and evil ones.

[Draklar]

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn\'t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or order vs. chaos. She thinks of good as better than evil - after all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she\'s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way.

And that\'s all. Neutral might do both good and evil things, but unlike a good aligned character, it might decide not to help someone if it might cause it some harm. Simply doesn\'t feel a moral must to help someone.

Edit: Wrong quote.

True Neutrals avoid siding with any of the extremes. But there\'s too much of good-evil decisions to say true neutral won\'t make any of them. It simply does just about same number for both.
Also mercenaries who are true neutral would side with evil ones. But that\'s one of the exceptions...

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Bebel
need more active evil characters , most of the more actives cahracters are just playing for power-leveling ...

I think there are a lot of characters, both good and evil, who are operating from behind the scenes.

Originally posted by buddha
 Start standing at the city gates and claim there is a tax to leave the city.  You\'ll make some money and you\'ll piss off the \"good\" guilds enough to actually organize and mobilize.

Without open PVP, this can never be a reality.

Originally posted by Draklar
She thinks of good as better than evil - after all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she\'s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way.

This is not exactly true.  A neutral character believes that \"good\" is more convenient than evil, but not necessarily better.  It\'s a fine but important distinction.

Originally posted by Draklar
True Neutrals avoid siding with any of the extremes.

Again, not exactly true.  Take Ares from Greek mythology for instance, who was \'known\' to change sides in a battle if the side he was fighting with began to win.

Originally posted by buddha
I have had some experiences where people cannot divorce thier IC identity from their OOC identity.  

Yup.  I\'ve been both guilty of this and a victim of this.  For instance, my in-game character has an undieing grudge against the Dragon Council due to certain events.  However, the RP aspect of it spread to the forums in a way which seemed OOC.  As a result in part, the character recieved a banning for OOC reasons.

There are mediums which are clearly IC and mediums which are clearly OOC.  It is very problematic when those spheres cross.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by Draklar
She thinks of good as better than evil - after all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she\'s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way.

This is not exactly true.  A neutral character believes that \"good\" is more convenient than evil, but not necessarily better.  It\'s a fine but important distinction.

Well I surely am not good-aligned irl, but I highly respect people who do good things and despise those who make mostly evil ones...
Think neutral wouldn\'t categorise into \"better\" and \"worse\" people like Mother Teresa and Hitler? ;)

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by Draklar
True Neutrals avoid siding with any of the extremes.

Again, not exactly true.  Take Ares from Greek mythology for instance, who was \'known\' to change sides in a battle if the side he was fighting with began to win.

Yeah, that\'s right. But that\'s what I meant when saying about the exceptions. For the most part true neutral would feel better if they didn\'t have to bother with such wars at all.
Although, I can\'t recall human war struggles between good and evil in the greek mythology... Rather wars between nations.

[zanzibar]

There\'s a difference between being neutral and being apathetic.  There was a guild at one point with Kjeld in its name dedicated to maintaining the ballance between light and dark, good and bad.  They might choose not to help in a given situation, not because they don\'t care or because they see it as a good thing, but because they see it as necessary or natural.

[Draklar]

Why apathetic?
Not having personal need of joining struggle between good and evil isn\'t being apathetic...