Your 3 most hated THINGS

[zanzibar]

http://images.google.ca/images?q=cow+slaughter&btnG=Search&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off


(a google images search for the terms \"cow\" and \"slaughter\")

[Baldur]

Sory, didn\'t really get the words right :/ What i meant was \"butchering\", though that might also wake up some nasty pics because of the negativity the word \"creates\". I\'m a bit concerned that we will only explain this with pictures as death is sure grim. Have you ever watche da reindeer cadaver after a flock of wolve\'s been at it?(or a sheep maybe?)

EDIT: All i gotta say that this is a greyzone as it seems we have no solution to this, though as StarsandBars earlier explained \"if it\'s not broken, don\'t fix it\". I\'m NOT a fan of this idea. I still think there are many small tweaks that we don\'t see which would lead us to THE answer, there is always an answer no matter if you like it or not and i give hell to find it. I\'m going to find it!

*philosphees*

[lanser]

Originally posted by zanzibar


Do you know how cows are most commonly slaughtered?  They\'re suspended from the ceiling of a warehouse by one leg, then they have their throats cut.  They bleed to death from their neck.  That\'s how they\'re killed.  They do not die instantly.

Qualification:
I have spent over 25 years working in the meat industry incuding a spell as a slaughterman, my current position of includes the oversight of animal welfare regs in a UK based abattoir.


I would suggest that with such an emotive subject you ought to make sure that the \"facts\" that you quote are correct.

1. They are not suspended by one leg (it makes the carcase hang awkwardly) Check the images in your own search.

2. The animals are stunned while still standing BEFORE any cutting takes place. (again shown in an image from your search)

3. The throats are not cut, a lateral cut is made to sever the carotid arteries.

4. They do not \"bleed to death\" actual death occurs when the animal is stunned causing immediate instantaneous brain death. The blood flow is a result of autonomic nerve action until the heart stops.

Although we do end up killing the animals we try to do so in as humane a way as possible.


edit: for clarification all the above relates to the legal UK meat industry other countries may be different

edit:and as primates (including humans) are omnivorous the eating of meat is natural although one may not like it or agree with it.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Baldur
Have you ever watche da reindeer cadaver after a flock of wolve\'s been at it?(or a sheep maybe?)

Are you saying that we should use wolves as a standard for morality?  And yes, it is a broken system.... look at rain forest depletion in Brazil, or heart disease in the US.

Originally posted by lanser
1. They are not suspended by one leg (it makes the carcase hang awkwardly) Check the images in your own search.

Are they suspended upside down while still alive?  Looked like the hind legs to me, does it really make a different?

Originally posted by lanser
3. The throats are not cut, a lateral cut is made to sever the carotid arteries.

Near the throat?  I\'m just going by what I saw.

Originally posted by lanser
4. They do not \"bleed to death\" actual death occurs when the animal is stunned causing immediate instantaneous brain death. The blood flow is a result of autonomic nerve action until the heart stops.

Then explain the different videos floating around of cows flailing around while they bleed to death while suspended by their hind legs.  Obviously, those stun guns aren\'t so effective, or perhaps various slaughter houses have decided that it\'s an unneccessary step.

Originally posted by lanser
Although we do end up killing the animals we try to do so in as humane a way as possible.

That\'s all fine and dandy, but it\'s clear to me that not everyone goes by the same rules as you do.

Originally posted by lanser
edit: for clarification all the above relates to the legal UK meat industry other countries may be different

I thought the UK is a relatively small consumer of beaf when compared to the American market?

Originally posted by lanser
edit:and as primates (including humans) are omnivorous the eating of meat is natural although one may not like it or agree with it.

Rape and war are also natural.  Being natural does not make something right.  Plus humans have all sorts of problems digesting meat and diary, so the idea that it\'s natural is in question.

Humans are the only animal that drinks the milk of ANOTHER animal into ADULTHOOD.

[Tellnos' ghost]

What does being Vegan consist of?

[Karyuu]

Being a vegan means you don\'t eat any animal products at all - so in addition to no meat, nothing that was made from milk, usually no honey, etc. You\'re relying entirely on the plant world for substance.

[lanser]

1 I did not say they were not hung upside down, and no they are not alive.

3. then you haven\'t seen enough to comment. You used throat as a purely theatrical attempt to shock rather than use reasoned and informed argument.

4. All nervous reflexes, never heard of the headless chicken running around? a cow is a lot bigger and consequently makes a lot more extreme movement. So believe me with a foot long metal rod through your brain you are dead.

   

Although we do end up killing the animals we try to do so in as humane a way as possible.

That\'s all fine and dandy, but it\'s clear to me that not everyone goes by the same rules as you do.

Just a very large majority

So because the US has a larger beef industry than the UK that makes them inhumane? Or more likely to break the law?

[Robinmagus]

Originally posted by Karyuu
Being a vegan means you don\'t eat any animal products at all - so in addition to no meat, nothing that was made from milk, usually no honey, etc. You\'re relying entirely on the plant world for substance.

Sinners (just joking..don\'t torch me.)

byebye

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Karyuu
Being a vegan means you don\'t eat any animal products at all - so in addition to no meat, nothing that was made from milk, usually no honey, etc. You\'re relying entirely on the plant world for substance.

The honey thing is actually a topic for debate.  Some vegans eat it, others don\'t.  In my opinion, bees are just insects so I\'m not too worried about them.

[StarsAndBars_1018]

Originally posted by derwoodly
Ah yes, but do those same bacteria, slaughter cows by stringing them up by there necks, bleeding them, chopin them up, covering them in the clear plastic that they made, then finally cooking them over a flame and eating them?

Mmmm BBQ!

No. Lions just stick their heads, and mouths, right into cougar entrails, perhaps eating them alive.

Just as a question: Would the pro-vegetarianism people here, for all the objections raised to current slaughter practices, prefer that humans instead engage in that conduct?

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by StarsAndBars_1018
Just as a question: Would the pro-vegetarianism people here, for all the objections raised to current slaughter practices, prefer that humans instead engage in that conduct?

Your question makes no sense.  Humans engage in that conduct?  What conduct?

[fireofsoul]

1. Rappers
2. Hip Hop
3. talad

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[Zinn]

You win a cabbage Fossie \\o/

[davo]

ok ok

people who want to eat vegitables shut up and eat them.

people who want to eat meat shut up and eat it lol

[Tellnos' ghost]

you kno what, I hate those bloody daddy long legs, or crane flys....they are the most pointless insect on the planet. Can we get some in game for blade fodder