Characters

[zanzibar]

It`s not the name that tells the player behind the char, it`s the behaviour.
The worst are those who can`t change it while using another char.

Not really.  When Mitaki made a character called Ikatim, it was pretty clear who the player was.  When I entered game as Zanzibar or Shal, it was pretty clear who I was.  And you can't really tell by behaviour unless it's something really obvious.  Plus, by doing so you're making the claim that you fully understand the behaviour of the "original" character - there have been plenty of times where I've been "asked" if I'm a particular character based on the partly-earned partly-fabricated reputation that Shalmaneser has.  One of the more notable ones was "Evangan", who people thought was me just because he duelled a lot and had a lot of typos when he typed.

Edit:  I forgot the most important part, Shalmaneser isn't just my character.  It's actually a shared account with three or four different people taking turns playing him.

[Herleva]

Edit:  I forgot the most important part, Shalmaneser isn't just my character.  It's actually a shared account with three or four different people taking turns playing him.

*Herleva looks startled*

By the gods, i`m grateful that they have no own chars, one Shalmaneser is more than enough. Or do they have other chars?

The thought of that makes me sad.

No, honestly. I don`t believe what you wrote, your first post in this thread was a lie, i guess you will follow that line.

Greetings

[zanzibar]

Edit:  I forgot the most important part, Shalmaneser isn't just my character.  It's actually a shared account with three or four different people taking turns playing him.

*Herleva looks startled*

By the gods, i`m grateful that they have no own chars, one Shalmaneser is more than enough. Or do they have other chars?

The thought of that makes me sad.

No, honestly. I don`t believe what you wrote, your first post in this thread was a lie, i guess you will follow that line.

Greetings

You're right.  Shalmaneser is just my character and no one elses.  I have around a dozen alts, and I have at least one alt in each major guild.

[Herleva]

Don`t tell that you spie other guilds with alts, that`s absolutely ooc...so psssssssst!

[zanzibar]

Don`t tell that you spie other guilds with alts, that`s absolutely ooc...so psssssssst!

Why are you so interested in what I do with my characters?  We've never spent any time in game with eachother.  I see you on the guild chat sometimes, but we never talk.  All of a sudden, there's all this chatter from you directed towards me on the forums.  What gives?

And no, I don't spy on other guilds.

[Drahlian]

I've met plenty of "new" characters who right off the bat had a livid distaste for me without any prior contact.

Zanzibar/Shal,

Yes, I'm sure it had nothing to do with your constant kill-stealing (Yes, yes, I know, you've told me 50 times, "it is legal," and I've told you 50 times in return, "yes but it is still rude.") I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with you placing your groffel at their feet while "racing" for an npc so their targeting will be interfered with (is this exploiting?) I'm sure they didn't get mad the times you used melee to hog a rogue for several minutes, pointing out "Gee, I suck at melee, don't I?"  I'm sure it had nothing to do with you harassing them after you've upset them. And surely nothing to do with your using massive amounts of potions when dueling a (then) far weaker character, or whining about some other (weaker) character using arrows against you in a duel. And I'm sure the complaints I've received from friends, guild-mates and newbies while I was in /advisormode were purely a plot against you.

No, Shal, I'm sure it's all a conspiracy, and you are completely and utterly innocent.

In all honesty, I recommend to my new guild members to "Stay away from Shalmaneser. Don't duel with him as he'll use potions, and don't follow his example. Any contact with him will most likely be unpleasant." I don't tell them to hate Shalmaneser, but just to avoid him. I have never felt the need to warn people about anyone except Shalmaneser.

-Drahlian

[Bebel]

well, this is going a bit 
Suno just ask for your alt's name, if you don't feel good to tell , just don't post...

[Karyuu]

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[zanzibar]

"- constant kill-stealing"
It's not kill-stealing, and it's not constant.  If someone is afk, I'll attack the rogue they're near.  If there are no other spawns available, I'll compete with others for mobs.  It's really very simple.

"-placing your groffel at their feet while "racing" for an npc"
I think I've done this maybe twice.  In both cases, it was because someone was using melee to prevent me from attacking a mob.

"-used melee to hog a rogue for several minutes"
When did I do this and what were the circumstances?  I did it once with Beanius, because he and these other new players couldn't solve their differences.  Instead, they were swearing at eachother over public chat.  So for around 15 seconds, I stopped them from attacking the rogue just to get their attention.  When it was clear that they weren't going to solve anything on their own, I told them to get a Game Master to solve their problems for them then I left.

"-harassing them after you've upset them"
When have I ever done this?  You're forgetting that it's YOU who is guilty of exactly this.  AFter I killed your character as part of a RP, you spammed my chat for over five minutes with OOC insults.

"-using massive amounts of potions when dueling a (then) far weaker character"
I used light green potions so that I wouldn't have to kill you.  You didn't stop attacking me, and you wouldn't leave or yield, so I had to kill you.

"-whining about some other (weaker) character using arrows against you in a duel"
And what were the circumstances of that, hmm?  Exactly.

"-the complaints I've received from friends, guild-mates and newbies while I was in /advisormode"
Which I never heard about, so I have no idea a. If they're real or if you're making them up, b. What they were about.  Since they were from new players which might have just come over from Blizzard, I think it's a safe assumption that they don't mean anything.

"-I recommend to my new guild members to 'Stay away from Shalmaneser. Don't duel with him as he'll use potions, and don't follow his example. Any contact with him will most likely be unpleasant.'"
And I guess this explains why Quittaa and others from your guild have harrassed my character out of the blue for no reason?  Why is it that I suspect you're being less than genuine?

"-I don't tell them to hate Shalmaneser"
If you say so?

Warning

Ok.  I ask that my post remains, because it is a response to Drahlian's accusations/trolling and it's only fair that I'm allowed to defend myself after such a vicious attack.

[Anfa]

I'm confused...

You approached Anfa in the tavern as Shal claiming Anfa had insulted Shal...[I have had very little contact IG with Shal so was surprised] but when I pointed out that Anfa had had fun with Shalmaneser you told me that they were one and the same, Shal being just a short form for Shalmaneser so Shal was claiming the insult..

Should Shal have been able to claim insult for something that was said to Shalmaneser? Or is it OOC for Shal to claim an insult was done to him for something that happened to Shalmaneser? If both Shal and Shalmaneser are ingame at the same time how can they be "one and the same"? [can they be ingame at the same time?]

So should apologies be offered to Shal for things said to Shalmaneser and vice versa or are they two seperate characters who should not be rp'd as the same character? Should I be rping Shal as Shalmaneser? but what happens if I am rping with Shal "as shortform Shalmaneser" and in walks Shalmaneser? 

Anfa [who would like to know just how the heck Shal/Shalmaneser is supposed to be rp'd with]
Watcher for the Scions of Wyldewood

I will have to interact with the Shal/Shalmaneser character more often to see if I can tell the difference between the players. Now that should be fun!!

[zanzibar]

I'm confused...

You approached Anfa in the tavern as Shal claiming Anfa had insulted Shal...[I have had very little contact IG with Shal so was surprised] but when I pointed out that Anfa had had fun with Shalmaneser you told me that they were one and the same, Shal being just a short form for Shalmaneser so Shal was claiming the insult..

I'm afraid I don't remember that incident.  It's possible that I mixed up your character with another four letter "A" name.

[ThomPhoenix]

Apparently he met a "Shal" character ingame and thought it was you, I think. Anfa wants to know if it was you or someone else.

[Anfa]

No what I want to know is.. are Shal and Shalmaneser the same char and should they be treated as such?

Anfa [still not sure how to interact with Shal/Shalmaneser]

[zorbels]

It`s not the name that tells the player behind the char, it`s the behaviour.
The worst are those who can`t change it while using another char.

I don't believe that is true really. I have an alt I play once and awhile and I don't believe anyone knows it is me unless I tell them. My alt is way different in personality than Zorbels, and I have found from experience if I let people know it is me as the alt they begin to treat my alt like Zorbels. Or they seem tempted to go into ooc talk. 

One of the more notable ones was "Evangan", who people thought was me just because he duelled a lot and had a lot of typos when he typed/

You speak the truth there Zanzibar, as I hung out with Evangan in the last of his days in planeshift. Everyone and their dog tried to convince me it was you. The only similarities was the dueling habits. I watched him duel you and told people that it couldn't possibly be you even if you did have two computers. You both moved to quickly at the same time, and also sent chat messages one right after the other. So there you have it people, Zanzibar has cleared up that he WAS NOT Evangan. I believe someone owes me 100 circles ... oh yes you know who you are. 

[Suno_Regin]

I didn't make this thread so that people could argue, I made it just so we could post alts and get to know eachother's characters. Someone please lock it now.