I wanna see advisor-points!..

[zanzibar]

To find out your AP go on IRC and ask nicely a Dev, and if you do so nicely you will be told your Points and position... I should not have to ask on IRC, i fell this is degrading and takes away the pleaser i get from helping Players.

Helping people should feel good whether or not you get points.

 Yet again you show your uncanny ability to twist things, try reading the rest of my posts, even a moron can see i don't care about the points, i just wont to see them in my privet in game Stats box were they used to be, duel points are there so why not AP.

If you don't care about them, and if it makes the game worse if people can see them, then why do you want to be able to see them?

[Janner]

As you asked read this all of it.

 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80029--b.htm#7

[Karyuu]

Please don't blow this out of proportion.

[zorbels]

As you asked read this all of it.

 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80029--b.htm#7

Well I read about 50% of it and then I thought to myself, this isn't answering my question. The question was simple "Why is it so important to you to see these points?"  It is quite obvious that you are being very difficult so I will not bother to continue addressing you in this thread. Sometimes we don't get everything we want. In this case Janner I think accepting what is and letting it go would be alot more healthy for everyone. Point is I tried to see your point. Did you see what points the others were making including myself? As your posts are not very clear, it sometimes is hard to tell though I really try to understand. Is this really that big of a deal that you have to make a huge issue out of it?  I would hope not, though with karyuu having to post warnings I don't have any hopes this will turn out to be a "Happy ever after" thread.

[Janner]

 I have no wish to but was ask why.
 Also i abide by the laws of my land, so if ever there is plans to have a server in the UK, ignorance of the law is deemed no defense.

 That out the way, the arguments i read in hear apply to main web stats page and fully agree in the main with the points raised, my argument is what is wrong with them in the in-game stats that only i can see, unless i take a screenshot, no one else sees them.

[zanzibar]

As you asked read this all of it.

 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80029--b.htm#7

No, it's not personal data, therefore that legislation does not apply.

Further, this is an international community, so the local laws of the player might not be relevant to the game's owners.

[Janner]

OK just for you Z if I play Janner he is personal to me and indeed no other Janner is allowed, that makes him personal to me and any info on him personal to me. I am no layer so won't state that under the law it is personal to me.

 The point I was trying to make is under the law I live under i have the right to access to it,[personal data] so to me it is not unreasonable to expect access to it.

[Karyuu]

Janner, there could be a lot of information about your character stored by both GMs or devs, but that certainly does not entitle you to view it just like that, all of it, whenever you may wish. Your logic confuses me a bit. It's not unreasonable to want to view it, but no is no - some numbers are hidden, and they will remain hidden. If you want to keep track of your points, do it manually.

There is no way that PlaneShift will strive to comply with every law in every land. That is an unreasonable expectation.

[zanzibar]

If we're going to go into the legalities of it... I'm still not convinced that advisor points count as personal data.  This isn't what kind of coffee you drink, or what websites you visit, or how much money you make, or who you talk to on the phone.  Even if it was personal data, you would have to submit your request in writing to the dev team (that means snail mail).  They in turn could demand an "appropriate" fee to be paid for their time.

[Janner]

Janner, there could be a lot of information about your character stored by both GMs or devs, but that certainly does not entitle you to view it just like that, all of it, whenever you may wish. Your logic confuses me a bit. It's not unreasonable to want to view it, but no is no - some numbers are hidden, and they will remain hidden. If you want to keep track of your points, do it manually.

There is no way that PlaneShift will strive to comply with every law in every land. That is an unreasonable expectation.

 You would think that after speaking English all my life I could express myself better, o well, one more try.

 Yes there probably is loads of info on Janner, not me if there is any on me expect a visit. [JOKE] I don't expect you to just give me any info, but on request of AP why not whats the big deal, not as if its a crime or a stat secret.
 [keep my own score] yes I could by simply logging all my coms and going through them for hours ticking every time I give advice, don't sneeze blink or chose a time when the kids need attention.

 No i don't expect you to comply with all countries laws, was just pointing out why I think the way I do.

[Karyuu]

This really isn't going anywhere, but:

It's not that difficult to make a mark somewhere whenever you claim an advice session.

We don't want people keeping score when they are helping someone. It is that simple. Advisor points have been made a GM/dev tool - it's no longer a player concern.

[zorbels]

I have no wish to but was ask why.
 Also i abide by the laws of my land, so if ever there is plans to have a server in the UK, ignorance of the law is deemed no defense.

 That out the way, the arguments i read in hear apply to main web stats page and fully agree in the main with the points raised, my argument is what is wrong with them in the in-game stats that only i can see, unless i take a screenshot, no one else sees them.

I understand ... I think. So you are basically saying all you want is to be able to access the amount of points you have earned as an advisor upon your request. If that is the case, I don't see that as a problem for you requesting to know how much points you have obtained, or the GM's giving you that information if they are not at that moment busy. I could be wrong, as I don't know the rules for a GM and what they are allowed to give out as information or what they are not allowed to give out. Thank you Janner for explaining.  

[Karyuu]

GMs don't have access to the numbers of APs someone may have - only devs with access to the database can find out the amount :>

[zorbels]

Well then, that answers that question.  Thanks karyuu for clearing that up. 

[zanzibar]

I have no wish to but was ask why.
 Also i abide by the laws of my land, so if ever there is plans to have a server in the UK, ignorance of the law is deemed no defense.

 That out the way, the arguments i read in hear apply to main web stats page and fully agree in the main with the points raised, my argument is what is wrong with them in the in-game stats that only i can see, unless i take a screenshot, no one else sees them.

I understand ... I think. So you are basically saying all you want is to be able to access the amount of points you have earned as an advisor upon your request. If that is the case, I don't see that as a problem for you requesting to know how much points you have obtained, or the GM's giving you that information if they are not at that moment busy. I could be wrong, as I don't know the rules for a GM and what they are allowed to give out as information or what they are not allowed to give out. Thank you Janner for explaining. 

The problem was that people were griefing players in order to get more advisor points in less time.  I haven't heard of any instances of this since the advisor points became invisible, so I think it's an improvement.  Our GM friends should be able to tell us more though.