water and stone

[zorbels]

So...what, is there some kind of discussion topic here or are you just telling us something and expecting people to care?

There's no question...no point of debate...you just made a statement.

.... or are you just telling us something and expecting people to care? Is this your way of saying I am interested in this topic and would like to discuss it more. Also did you really walk away from that post thinking that no one would repsond negatively to that? If you were truly interested, and saw that no one had yet started up a conversation in the thread, then why didn't you? Or state a little clearer that you wanted to discuss it more? Also no where in my post did I say I know you.

[Edit] Noted and heard Karyuu. I will not be hostile, though I admitted in my other post to be sarcastic. I will tone it down. 

[Kixie]

I was going to post something long, personal, and disturbing here, but I decided against it.

A prime lesson in various Eastern systems of thought is the lesson of water and stone:  The ideal is not to overcome force with force, but to be like water.  If a fist hits stone, then the stone will injure the fist but the stone will itself be damaged, even broken.  It is best to be like water.  Water lets the fist pass through it, and when the fist leaves again, the water is unchanged.  In our human relations, to be as stone is to act with anger and fear, and to be as water is to act with understanding and compassion.

Har har, Bruce Lee.

[Kiern]

So...what, is there some kind of discussion topic here or are you just telling us something and expecting people to care?

There's no question...no point of debate...you just made a statement.

.... or are you just telling us something and expecting people to care? Is this your way of saying I am interested in this topic and would like to discuss it more. Also did you really walk away from that post thinking that no one would repsond negatively to that? If you were truly interested, and saw that no one had yet started up a conversation in the thread, then why didn't you? Or state a little clearer that you wanted to discuss it more? Also no where in my post did I say I know you.

[Edit] Noted and heard Karyuu. I will not be hostile, though I admitted in my other post to be sarcastic. I will tone it down. 

Karyuu gave me the answer I was looking for from zanzibar, so unless he wants to refute it I have no more reason to post here.  Though I don't think these posts should be allowed, that's not my problem.  I have no more reason to argue with you about what you think I posted.

So...what, is there some kind of discussion topic here

Thanks for answering, Karyuu.

[zorbels]

Also did you really walk away from that post thinking that no one would repsond negatively to that? If you were truly interested, and saw that no one had yet started up a conversation in the thread, then why didn't you? Or state a little clearer that you wanted to discuss it more?

It doesn't surprize me that you don't want to answer these questions. I am glad Karyuu answered you question. For the record I wasn't fighting with you. I was pointing out what I saw and being honest about it and the way I veiwed it. 

[neko kyouran]

Weee, and now we can all be friends again and live happily ever after.

Oh, and since philosphy is the subject....... http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/317023

And discuss.

[zanzibar]

Karyuu gave me the answer I was looking for from zanzibar, so unless he wants to refute it I have no more reason to post here.

People were discussing it, and you came to say there was nothing to discuss.  And now you're leaving because you feel you're done... if I didn't know better, I'd be confused.

Har har, Bruce Lee.

I was always more into lone wolf.


Neko:  Someone is listening to music right now, but I'll watch the flash when I get the chance.

[Kiern]

Karyuu gave me the answer I was looking for from zanzibar, so unless he wants to refute it I have no more reason to post here.

People were discussing it, and you came to say there was nothing to discuss.  And now you're leaving because you feel you're done... if I didn't know better, I'd be confused..

Fair enough, but I wanted to know if you had a topic for discussion in mind..usually people do when they post.  Like, do you want other philosophy's,  have someone attempt to dismantle it? etc.

Also did you really walk away from that post thinking that no one would repsond negatively to that? If you were truly interested, and saw that no one had yet started up a conversation in the thread, then why didn't you? Or state a little clearer that you wanted to discuss it more?

It doesn't surprize me that you don't want to answer these questions. I am glad Karyuu answered you question. For the record I wasn't fighting with you. I was pointing out what I saw and being honest about it and the way I veiwed it. 

I didn't answer them because I felt the answers are fairly obvious, and if you don't see them then you're not going to how many times I explain it.   I did state myself perfectly clear, and asked the question DIRECTLY.  I don't see how you can be any more clear then that.  Secondly, it is zanzibars topic and I wasn't sure if he had a topic in mind or not, which again is why I directly asked him that.  People respond negatively to anything I post.  I asked a question, stated my reasoning behind it (is it a discussion?  here's why I don't think it is...but just make it clear to me).  That's it.

[zorbels]

People respond negatively to anything I post.  

Well this was my first time, I am not other people. (I don't see you name and automatically think negitive by the way, just so that is cleared up) I guess what I don't understand is why you were so surprised to get the reaction you did with the way you worded your post. *Shrugs* Doesn't matter anymore as I can clearly see I am getting no where with you.

[Baldur]

To get back on topic the philosophy is a metaphore of passive "violence"

The water is the calmness and passiveness and the stone is the ignorance and unknowledge within the world. The water(intelligence, maturity) grinds the stone down by simply touching it. This reconsiles(I odn't know if that's the right word) that passiveness and understanding will grind. Though this requires patience(it takes several eons for for water to break down a stone, but for humans that could be decades) the mind of the enemy and either make destroy itself and all others, or embrace peace and understanding and join the passove warrior.

This was what Dalai Lama did during the revolt against China taking Tibet. Dalai Lama hungerstriked along with his people, he used no force or weapons yet he made a great impact, pity the technique takes many years. He died some weeks after meditating to the last along with his monks.

[zanzibar]

Fair enough, but I wanted to know if you had a topic for discussion in mind..usually people do when they post.  Like, do you want other philosophy's,  have someone attempt to dismantle it? etc.

I think the topic is fairly clear, obvious, and direct.  Just read the first post in the thread.

To get back on topic the philosophy is a metaphore of passive "violence"

The water is the calmness and passiveness and the stone is the ignorance and unknowledge within the world. The water(intelligence, maturity) grinds the stone down by simply touching it. This reconsiles(I odn't know if that's the right word) that passiveness and understanding will grind. Though this requires patience(it takes several eons for for water to break down a stone, but for humans that could be decades) the mind of the enemy and either make destroy itself and all others, or embrace peace and understanding and join the passove warrior.

This was what Dalai Lama did during the revolt against China taking Tibet. Dalai Lama hungerstriked along with his people, he used no force or weapons yet he made a great impact, pity the technique takes many years. He died some weeks after meditating to the last along with his monks.

Interesting.  That makes a lot of sense.

[LARAGORN]

I think we found a stone

[neko kyouran]

I like to think of myself as a cloud.  Just flowing where ever the wind takes me.

[zanzibar]

I like to think of myself as a cloud.  Just flowing where ever the wind takes me.

I watched that movie you posted.  It's designed to inspire a strong reaction by portraying what is more or less an unrealistic nightmare scenario.  I don't think a discussion on abortion would be a good idea, but I think it's fair to say that the movie wasn't exactly "fair to the issue".

[neko kyouran]

I going towards the "guy" in the flash as being more stone-like, having only a set mind as how his kid should be, being unacepting of what he is given, while the "gal" being more water like and accepting her "kid" as it is and loving it just for it being it.  But, your interpretation  is valid too.  I wouldn't say its unrealistic, right now yes, but thats also the thing about technology, it makes thing possible in the furture, whether we like those things, thats a discussion for another thread I think.  Like I said, going with flow here. 

[zanzibar]

I going towards the "guy" in the flash as being more stone-like, having only a set mind as how his kid should be, being unacepting of what he is given, while the "gal" being more water like and accepting her "kid" as it is and loving it just for it being it.  But, your interpretation  is valid too.  I wouldn't say its unrealistic, right now yes, but thats also the thing about technology, it makes thing possible in the furture, whether we like those things, thats a discussion for another thread I think.  Like I said, going with flow here. 

Maybe.  I think that both characters are being impulsive though, but in different directions.  One seeks to dominate, the other submits.  They are both being ruled by fear.

*cough* sentiency *cough*