Why so harsh on OOC?

[tssthorn]

Farren, don't push him..

i feel there is a line in RP. one side is respectable, and the other is not. mentioning email in game and trying to say its RP is not respectable to me. but thats just my humble opinion and i know that thats all it is. but i have a very odd feeling that not many people at all are going to agree with you on this one.

Think about it..

If someone mentinoed Email, or computers in a medeival setting, they'd be killed most likely. At least shunned from society.. to me, thats bad rp, and if i hear someone mention email in the middle of my rp, id feel slightly deflated to say the least..

Actaully if email was mention in a medevil time, chances are they would ignore it or they would do as you said, but who is to say we are that type of medevil time, that time was on earth and not in PS so that is OOC right there.

[Easton]

Well, you tell me where in the setting it mentions email or anything even remotely remotely remotely related, and ill be sure to completely change my mind.

[tssthorn]

There is no where in the setting about email, but where on earth did the setting of aliens and ufos come up? Its the same crap, weird things are said and weird thing happen. Also who says you wont one day pass somone talking about somthing your not sure of what it is. Actaully iy happends all the time. I pass people talking about science stuff and have no idea what there talking about. Also no matter what its fact that it does not become OOC untill its mentioned as such.

[LARAGORN]

I can see you are very happy in you views on this matter. I dont think anything can be said to change your mind, and that in itself is sad. Everything you have brought up, has been fully explaind as OOC. The DEVs have worked long and hard to bring us this amazing free game. The setting has been set for us by the histories provided. It is, very clear From the information provided what is and is not IC.

[Easton]

agreed..

Its a free game, so play by the rules. its the least you could do.

[tssthorn]

Look im not saying im going to go around and mention email. Im just providing the pure facts of the situation. Just because thats the way it is does not mean we have to follow it. Suriously though, don't take my facts as a personal attack. It's just the way I think. I think logical and in common sense. Also yes no matter how much you hate it, it is the fact. You can't change this fact, and thats what really gets you angry. I also hate when people think of this as a personal attack towards RP but its not. I am just bringing this up just to let you all know, that saying somthing like email to you may be OOC but you just make it worse by saying it is. If your really into RP then you will ignore it and pretend it is still RP. Im only saying this because thats what I do when somone brings somthing up like that. I stick to RP at all costs. So I belbeive handling it this way is the best way. I will still explain OOC to newcomers but I will always ignore or act like its part of the RP if the time ever comes up.

[Easton]

I am just bringing this up just to let you all know, that saying somthing like email to you may be OOC but you just make it worse by saying it is. If your really into RP then you will ignore it and pretend it is still RP.

no. the person bringing it up is making it worse by trying to find loopholes in a rule. I disagree with you on all counts. If you are into RP i think one would not simply ignore someone trying to play email as an rp idea. to me, it isn't. "Aye, i'll be with you in a moment to slay the evil Ulbernaut mage, but first i need to check my hotmail account.." that isn't rp to me.

Suriously though, don't take my facts as a personal attack. It's just the way I think. I think logical and in common sense. Also yes no matter how much you hate it, it is the fact. You can't change this fact, and thats what really gets you angry. I also hate when people think of this as a personal attack towards RP but its not.

I think you are very very very closeminded. and i assure you im not taking it as a personal attack. just, why try to think of ways to bend or break the rules when you can use them to your advantadge? again, not "you" but "you" as in the general player population. i don't take this as a personal attack by any means, but i feel you stating your opinions as fact is quite irresponsible. reread the rules and the setting, and then come back to this thread, and see how things change, if they do at all.. no hard feelings, its just aggravating when people feel they are soooo right when there's a rule stating the opposite of their so called "facts".

[tssthorn]

Look, using a whole bunch of OOC does not help OOC. So I say whats an email? then I /tell the eprson that it was OOC and explain to them what is and what isn't thats set by the rules. See what gets you people is you think just cause im explaining somthing that I do this when I DON'T. You really think saying [That was ooc] in open chat is so much better? I am also not trying to find holes in the system, I jsut came across them. Also it is fact! Making rules do not change FACTS. I have proved its not an oppinion with that example. Now how can you prove to me that its an oppinion ... you can't. Cause in reality its fact. Yes its fact that there is gravity but stating a rule saying there isn't does not change this fact.

[Easton]

I want to discuss somthing. What if I siad I was from the future in the game? Its RPing and it allows me to go ooc even though im not. Or I could say I lived another life in the past. No matter what if somone says its ooc there is always away around it to make it IC and make them OOC instead. I mean if you really think about it talking OOC is not OOC till somone actaully says it is.

now watch how the discussion has changed...

Look, using a whole bunch of OOC does not help OOC. So I say whats an email? then I /tell the eprson that it was OOC and explain to them what is and what isn't thats set by the rules. See what gets you people is you think just cause im explaining somthing that I do this when I DON'T. You really think saying [That was ooc] in open chat is so much better? I am also not trying to find holes in the system, I jsut came across them. Also it is fact! Making rules do not change FACTS. I have proved its not an oppinion with that example. Now how can you prove to me that its an oppinion ... you can't. Cause in reality its fact. Yes its fact that there is gravity but stating a rule saying there isn't does not change this fact.

You have changed your argument here... to me, in the beginning you said "Its RPing and it allows me to go ooc even though im not." to me, this is not a fact at all, simply a misguided opinion. i cannot rp guns just because im "from the future". i can, but i certainly won't get anywhere with it. But anyways.. your argument shifted to "Look, using a whole bunch of OOC does not help OOC. So I say whats an email? then I /tell the eprson that it was OOC and explain to them what is and what isn't thats set by the rules". this argument has slightly more validity, but the point is, if someone says something ooc you have a couple of options:

1. ignore it

2. ask them to keep ooc things in brackets or /tells or at least away from where others are Rping

3. use /tell to complete option #2

Various people react differently, and on this point i agree with you. But some people [NOT you] simply don't realize this game is more RP-based than a chatroom. So they need to have a friendly reminder and maybe an invitation to the player guide. its as simple as that. i certainly didn't take anything you said as a personal attack and i garuntee you i understand your point that you do not do this you just wanted to bring it up.

Stay safe,
Easton Ghent

P.S- Gravity is a theory.

[zhai]

let's face it: ooc in the main chat is like smoking in a crowded room. i think that both using it too much or not tolerating it at all are just big turn offs: the first puts any rp on hold and the second can make some people not want to play (for instance if they're newcomers and they're told to "shut the up") and usually a harsh comment like that stops any rp as well as people turn their heads towards the ones involved. if you feel the need to go [ooc], you can always use the guild chat, group chat, or tells so the main chat channel doesn't get filled with ooc messages that really interrupt any other conversation.

sooooo, i think that the most important thing is to have fun and respect the others' right to have theirs (smoke if you want, but there's a terrace right there and a big window over there... AND we're all guests in this party so we all have to put up with a little smoke every once in a while. it's not so hard to compromise on this subject.

zhai

[Farren Kutter]

zhai, do you smoke?

[tssthorn]

Yes I agree iwth that as well, and sorry but my statment was takin the wrong way. What I meant by that was just stating what somone could do, not what I would do. Also it has already been shown by one of the rules that you cannot RP being from the Future so it settled that already. But what im sayig is if somone does mention email or somthing of the sorts don't go and tell them its OOC in OOC in open chat, cause that just makes it much worse because now its actaully open to everyone that its OOC and it has been pointed out. If yuo say what an email it keeps it more of in the setting of what would happen. Then you can /tell the person and explain what is ooc. Then that person canfollow up and say /me awakens "Huh thats strange I had an odd dream, sorry about that, now where were we?". I still don't think thats good enouph but hey at least it keeps the setting alot better then if we just pointed out ever OOC comment.

Nice analogie Zhai!!!

[Easton]

Agreed.

 

[zhai]

zhai, do you smoke?

lol, no. i hate it, but when i'm in a party or something, i know some will want to. i can put up with it, just don't blow your smoke at my face.  

[Karyuu]

A discussion about reacting IC to OOC comments was formed some time ago - it's a bad idea. You may think that you are helping the RP atmosphere, but you're not. It confuses a lot of new players who may not understand RP at all, it can force/entice the OOC party to continue with the OOC comments, and it in a way acknowledges the existence of the OOC comments by bringing them into your roleplay. Instead of replying as your character when you know for a fact that the person was speaking as a player, just send a /tell.

But I would not personally recommend the IC-reply-to-OOC suggestion.