Thus it ends.

[Karyuu]

Talad has his own plans for PS that not even every dev member knows. Maybe when more of the world is solid, little things can be changed through player input and player events. Until then though, the majority of the world and its ways really does belong to Talad, and carried out through the Settings team. I don't see this as overcontrolling in a game this early in development. Let him continue building the base for it, and afterwards it can be tweaked.

[Peacer]

zanzibar if you strictly take the definition of powerlevelling in the newbie section *points him there again* you see powerlevelling means playing for the solely purpose of maxing your skills. I have not maxed many skills (azure, crystal brown way and mining) that's about it... i'm planning to raise the other magic ways too... just for the sake of seeing the effect, but they don't intefer with my character's IC skills and powers as game mechanics in no way can be used for this when uncomplete...

i don't know many who still plays and only powerlevels... most of who joined thoose tournaments were rp'ers... you mentioned setil and narita... thoose are some of the first rp'ers i met and they are by no means pl'ers... if you say this you call everyone at that tournament a pl'er which means... just to play "prooving a point" i will join his next one... just for the sake of being invited, join in silence in his last it would be nice to have everyone there.


by the way proglin, any news on when it's going to be?

* Peacer finishes talking with a monotive voice

[Kerol]

Most of the comments I've read in this thread look like constructive critisism.  They aren't all pot shots - many of them are valid concerns, even if many are based in ignorance and are solved with an explanation of what the real deal is.

I agree on that.
I also agree that it looks worse than it actually is - and no downwards spiral.
I also don't consider duels with the recent game mechanics good RP or RP at all, but if other people do, I won't stop them. They are fun for a lot of different people, thus I try to promote them.

With all those points I can agree on, there's also a few things I dislike.
First:

if it was 3 pages o rthe devs commenst where on the first page then believe me i woudl read it,

Please do so, as a couple of devs, even Vengeance, posted on the first sites.
As you do you will notice that we all, players, GMs and even devs would like to support such events.
Second:
Zanzibar, do I have to remind you on the occassion when I had to mute you?
This is what Proglin was referring to. Whether it was justified or not is irrelevant here.
As much as I hate to see the GM team taking the blame for everything that is bad, I don't like to see this thread turning into a personal flamewar.
Proglin and Zanzibar, you two are, whether you believe it or not, both reasonable people.
Use your brains for constructive stuff, not for bashing each other.

* Kerol sighs and thinks he has too much faith in humanity..

People, PlaneShift is a project made by people for people! It is up to ALL of us to make it a place we like! EVERYONE can and must help in that!
Players become GMs, players become devs.
STOP that pointless seperation and pointing with the finger at "the other"!
We all are working on that project, if you like it or not. It would be a start to drop a bit of the pride, accept (constructive) critics, take a pause if one gets stressed, RELAX!
We GMs take the critics serious, we really want to change the situation, but it will take time.
But it is not only the GMs or badly implemented features that caused the situation;
Take a look at YOURSELF! What can YOU change? Take a look at Proglin who achieved so much WITHOUT being GM! There are many people without special powers who[ achieved a lot. Let the world live! - in other words: LET'S ROCK!

[Pestilence]

Be carefull what you wish for Xillix

Wow two pages of reading since my last post that takes some time allright. Glad to se the thread is moving away from the flames aswell.

I think the wishes from most of the community are clear. Some control on the GMs to make sure they do do their jobs. Think the reports are a good idea although weekly would be a bit much. Monthly seems like a good idea. Only 12 times a year should be doable and would also give people enough things to report so you don't get stuck on details. and after all you could have a bad week but a bad month will happen a whole lot less. Think this would best fit simply on the GMmeetings that go on. Would have the extra benefit of the GMs hearing what the rest does.

More GMs ofcourse *smiles* obvious and said already but that seems to be agreed on by anyone to be a good idea. Think the recruiting should be smoothed over. After all if it took Zorbels several months to be able to get that interview I think that one should look if perhaps it would be a good idea to have more people available to do such interviews so people hear faster if they are accepted as GMs.

Perhaps have a standard list of questions could be made for people who are interested so the GMs who don't know the person get to know more about the person. At the moment GMs need to decide only on their personal opinions and with timezones and such it will be hard to know most of the GM team so they have an impression of you.

More visibility of GMs. Hear that several events are being planned so hoping this will increase GM visibility aswell. This would definately improve interaction between players and GMs in a fun way and hopefully people will see the different side of roleplaying GMs

To Proglin: Hope to see more events even if not tournaments. Loved your auctions atleast. Even the pure profit ones *smiles* Have a thought on being a GM

[Karyuu]

To clarify something on GM applications: there is no nominations necesssary. In fact, someone has to actively tell us they would like to apply. We can't kidnap them onto the team ourselves :P

So, with all these cries of "More GMs!" where are the applications? This is not something the current GM team can change without outside participation. Sure, there's no guarantee that every application will be accepted (and maybe not immediately - maybe you'll be surprised after a refusal in the beginning!) but there is no harm in trying if you are interested. This is something that you as players have a direct way to influence. Do it! :)

[Pestilence]

Afraid I can only offer my own unworthy self and poke others who I think are worthy.

But indeed if noone applies. BTW you did get that Janner offered himself as candidate aswell? *points a few posts up*

[Karyuu]

Yep, Janner has sent his application and it is being looked at :} Thanks Janner!

[LARAGORN]

To clarify something on GM applications: there is no nominations necesssary. In fact, someone has to actively tell us they would like to apply. We can't kidnap them onto the team ourselves

So, with all these cries of "More GMs!" where are the applications? This is not something the current GM team can change without outside participation. Sure, there's no guarantee that every application will be accepted (and maybe not immediately - maybe you'll be surprised after a refusal in the beginning!) but there is no harm in trying if you are interested. This is something that you as players have a direct way to influence. Do it!

I would love to jump right in and say pick me, pick me; However, reality sets in. Perhaps in 9 months or so....

I encourage all worthy people to step up, and apply to the GM team.

[Xordan]

Does this mean no settings ideas are welcome despite the obvious need of more to be wirtten in the current settings?

A lot of the settings is written or in Talad's head, it's just not released to the public (yet). Players won't have any input on official game settings   unless they become devs (or settings prospects at least).

[Pestilence]

One can only hope Talad will be so kind to lift the vale a little now and then and give us a glimpse of what's to come.

Hope that at some point the players will decide how the story goes further with their decicions ingame. That would truely be the ideal place to roleplay.

[Vengeance]

I should have locked this thread a long time ago.  Mirashi, you are way out of line.  GMs, while I don't always agree with everything you do, I agree most of the time with most of what you do and I support your continued work and existence.  Don't listen to Mirashi.  GM's should be doing it because they enjoy, WHEN they enjoy it.  This is a game.  GMing is another way to play it, just like power-leveling or RPing.  I agree with Janner and Proglin's nominations, if that counts for anything.

Xordan and Karyuu are officially saints in my book for continuing to tolerate this thread long after it became counterproductive and useless.  I am not such a saint.  Locked.

- Vengeance