Save the Evil Ones

[daehaz]

Which of these can we find more often: Dwarfettes of Evil Guys?

Since I started playing (about 6 months ago), I think I could use my fingers to count evil characters I've met (as any of my characters), and my other hand goes for the dwarfettes... Actually one finger in each hand goes to a certain evil dwarfette...

The point is: why is it so uncommon to find evil characters? I'm gonna be blunt on this and a bit simplistic, if I may. The problem behind not having more evil characters is, IMHO, bad RP:

a) Because RPing evil is hard(er) and many players don't expect it to be so they start playing evil but they don't go through with it when it starts getting more challenging.

b) Because RPing evil gets even harder when other players can't see the difference between OOC and IC  (seriously, though, I'm not a serial killer... hmm, I should make a T-shirt with that phrase).

c) Because many who claim their characters are evil don't do anything at all except saying "[my char is evil]" or, even worse, they claim to be the incarnation of evil (Lord of Darkness? Master of the Shadows? Prince of Hell? Mistress of Chaos?) but they have no problem with being surrounded and being friends with all the goodie-goodies they meet while camping a rogue or working on their training. But if you ask them, they are reeeeally evil (and they don't do GOD-RP, of course...).

d) Because many players have little tolerance for evil. They forget to stay IC sometimes, letting perfect opportunities to RP with an evil guy go and some other times they just don't let evil plots to (un)tangle. For example:

Victim: I've been cursed!

"Hero": I know a spell. *blinks* Done!

Victim:

Player behind the evildoer:

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How can you help Save the Evil Ones?

- Try being one. Create an alt. Choose an evil purpose and go for it. A common mistake is to think that you must wear black robes and be part of a dark religion or be an uber character nobody can defeat and whose mission is to take over the world. No, no need for that. Just think of something bad, do it and then find a way in which you can make people know what you've done (without actually saying things like "I'm a murderer").

- Do IC evil, not OOC evil. Stealing items from other players and then deleting your alt is not good RP. The point of playing evil is to throw something that would spice things up. As a player behind an evil character you should attempt to make other characters talk about you, run away or attack you on sight. You become an entertainer. So, by playing evil you are providing fun for others and you'll get yours in return.

- Do evil, don't just say you're evil. Actions generate reactions and both are needed in RP. Think of what makes your character evil and find evil things to do. Make enemies, plot revenges against them, make more enemies on the way. The possibilities are unlimited.

- If you're a good character, take the opportunity to come up to that bad guy buying training from Harnquist and say "Get out of here, you pile of ulber crap!". This won't necessarily end up in a duel, but it's important that we all play our characters consistently.


Finally,

Save the Evil Ones! Yliakum needs them! You need them!

Aaaand I'm done ranting.

[Rethius]

Aye aye... full agreement, its not easy being evil and hated....



... wow.... I feel so small in comparison to that rant..... Oh well... Im done.

[zanzibar]

Aye aye... full agreement, its not easy being evil and hated....



... wow.... I feel so small in comparison to that rant..... Oh well... Im done.

Especially when people who RP "good" characters in-game resort to OOC and out of game measures to deal with you.  Yeah.

[RayvenD]

yeah i play a character who although not outright evil, is definately not what you would call 'good.'  He is foul-mouthed, obnoxious, thieving, gambling, and sometimes a murderer. what happens when i rp well in my character? "i'm going to report you to a gm for that"

that's all i need to say.

[zanzibar]

yeah i play a character who although not outright evil, is definately not what you would call 'good.'  He is foul-mouthed, obnoxious, thieving, gambling, and sometimes a murderer. what happens when i rp well in my character? "i'm going to report you to a gm for that"

that's all i need to say.

Yeah.  I was even banned for a month a while ago because a guild petitioned one of the Game Masters en mass through the forum.  They said that I wouldn't stop bad mouthing them in game.  Well guess what, my character had a grudge against your guild!

So yeah, some people just don't get it.

[Peacer]

* Peacer huggles daehaz

Thank you... many times being evil also means that the character put's himself above everyone else in importance and would do anything to survive himself not caring about others...

A rich man which you stated before that they don't need a dark relegion or something to be evil, This welldressed evil rich guy who liked to use his power for abuse could be enough.

And if you expect your evil deeds to be fulfilled for gods sake don't do it in front of harnquist where usually 30 other good people stand there and are able to spoil your plans... >.< take the sick tired poor and helpless to an ally and abuse!!!

@zanz: happens to me too some time when disagreements arise between my character and theirs they go into an ooc rant with me <.<

[zanzibar]

I don't think that you have to put yourself above others in order to be evil.  You can acheive a certain level of complexity beyond that, I think.

[Peacer]

@zanz: I'm talking about the characters mind, e.g. He thinks that he's better than everyone else and deserves more... get me?

[SovHed]

@ Daehaz: Yes you are totally right.. There are very few RPers in Planeshift. Oh sorry i mean there are very few EVIL Rpers in Planeshift.
Its not easy to RP evil. We have found that with many recruits who say "I want to be evil and mean" Then they go and PL and meet the "goody goody" Pl crowd and abandon evil because there are so few of us. Bleh to them

@peacer: You agree but i dont see you being evil.

@RayvenD: Havnt seen you.. You dont sound too evil though

@ the topic: Totally agree. Here are the stats for Laanx server atm... Chars: 280000ish Evil: 50 Good: 279950
There you have it.

[TestLab]

I hear you, I hear you.

My character is not evil, but not the nicest guy in earth either. I like doing good deeds, but sometimes I like doing something bad also (keeps people on ther toes).

Anyway, The other day somebody dropped a SW Dagger. of course, I was as fast as light to get it. Had the guy for a week telling me to give it back and that he would report me to a GM. Told him to talk to the GM. He seems to have given up.

People thinks that everybody should be nice to each other. Well, if somebody is stupid enough to drop a SW Dagger I'm not going to be stupid enough to give it back

By the way, I was nice and gave it to a friend as a pressent

[RayvenD]

As i said, 'Frak Griffonsfire' isn't evil in the true sense of the word, he is immoral, but if being immoral has people threatening to report, then what chance do evil players have? It seems to me that everybody is encouraging roleplay in PS unless roleplay includes doing anything other than be all happy and nice and a pillar of society, and i include devs and gms in this aswell.

[Santiago]

I think the issue is because people are unable to distinguish IC and OOC unsociable behavour.

OOC "evil" (for example, verbal abuse clearly not roleplaying) is not allowed in the game. But IC "evil" of the same sort very much should be. The problem is that most people do not want to be on the receiving end of evil RP, and will report things they do not like as OOC to the GMs. It is also a problem with "evil" characters not knowing clearly the boundaries of OOC and IC. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of anyone playing evil to make perfectly clear they are roleplaying.

This is just a theory, in any case, because I do not spend time ingame to see the situation firsthand. But generally I think this is what happens within online games.

[Peacer]

@peacer: You agree but i dont see you being evil.

ignorance is funny

[RilucH]

being evil is more diffical ,specially when you really go on making evil things ,becouse too many gamers have a aesy" /report",before tray to understand the evil character by themselves , and the gm sometimes without asking you what happens ,just amenazate...(stop inmediatly of....or suffer the consecuences...) my character is evil and of course i  do evil things ,and becouse that....i been in serius troublems...by dueling with any reason ....by steal a weapon to someone telling him im going to repair it.,,,,(they make me it give it back!!!!....  )--hey man!!! im evil..let me do evil things!!!!! is bored to be all goodness ,all peace and love between players,there must be bad guys and the bad guys  do bad things,last thing ive done acossing and chasing a character.(looking always the other character  semi-hidden from darkness),well troublems again....is diffical have a evil rp character on planeshift,i think they want a peaceful land ,full of peace and love flowers and birds singing and a rainbow across the sky,they told me that my behavior can make others player take out wish of play pshift,well i tell you when i started a 5 moths ago ,the main reason that make me go on is that i suffer evil things on my own flesh ,and that gives mores desire of keep on playing,not to leave ,and take revenge.
from this corner,,,i ask gm let the evil characters do evil things,as someone says ,it seems you only want evil players,but only evil by the saying,becouse you see that "evil" characters resting in peace and talking friendly with the more good lawful players...so please
LET THE EVILS ONES BE EVIL....PLEASE
and the newbies must know that are bad and good character players in -game,and educate to players to do not report by foolish thing or things that your evil character ought to do....i never ever have seen an evil characters,picking flowers or having tea on a pic.nic
the evils ones ,lies,betray,kill,have no respect (always keeping the main respect to the rela player)have no good manners,or have good manners when they want,they are interested,they are rude...(dont report me anymore for beig rude,,becouse my character is)

[zog]

@zanz: I'm talking about the characters mind, e.g. He thinks that he's better than everyone else and deserves more... get me?

Peacer ...that's megalomania ...not necessarily evil, but not nice ,either


Riluch ...I've seen your "evil" you badmouth people, then you start making ooc insults ...not the best RP

but, in all ...yes, there SHOULD be more evil RP ingame ...it is a definate lack