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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2006, 06:58:02 pm »
the best way i can describe evil is
~ Hate
~ trying obtain power when it is not yours
~ picking fights and arguements just to see the person get mad or upset or to kill them
~ causing conflict
~ misleading people / betraying trust
~ being rude, this n that, causing even the slightest ammount of stress just because you can and you belive nothign can be done about it
and whatever else you can think of that i cant at the moment

hate cant be done in PS not the way we would like to achieve it anyway if we stick to the settings , the story and setting states all races live in harmony. ( wich makes me wander exactly why we fight ulbers and rats and exactly why when the topic of racism comes up we are told we all are one race yet we select what race we are when we make a character. maybe its just something the devs dont want to deal with right now so they say were all the same but were diffrent and there is no explaination for it at least not one that would hold up againsed somone saying " i hate Kran " well if im a dwarf and a bg blue guy comesu p in front of me...no hes not a dwarf and im not going to call him my brother cousins sisters aunts neices grand fathers stepson  ...i dont care what nebody says lol )

we cant get power because in order to get power you have to RP and as soon as that little bout of RP is done you no longer have the power because well...its others people controling how much of an effect you can actualy make

were not even sposed to stress other players out. i know most say this is only OOC but i have seen almost CHAOS happen over some IC statments

cant really cause much conflict IC outside of guild happinings. nothign that can effect a large scale of people do to the fact that players dont have any real social ladder system  were all just in a big pot being stirred around as equals

betraying somoens trust is easy and can be fun sometimes to see people squirm and whine, but then it eventually gets turned into somethin OOC

in alot of ways yes we can be evil but the settings and the Devs and GM's would most likely prevent allot of it....so i just tend to be a bit of everything   sometimes ill say hi    sometimes ill ignore you and spit on you when u turn to walk away..thats about all i can do if i wanted to stick with the story

but zanzibar is right to.  in fact Xillix is right to.....how can we all be right?  the PS world is a very strange place
« Last Edit: November 05, 2006, 07:05:56 pm by Capprion »

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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2006, 11:53:08 pm »
When the settings say that all races live in harmony, that just meants that the different races exist as one population, rather than being separate "countries" that could fight against each other. There are no race wars in Yliakum.

It doesn't mean individuals can't be racist, it just means it's not part of the culture.

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« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2006, 11:53:35 pm »
There are other ways to define evil though.  Some people don't see evil as something that is social in natures; instead, they almost see "Evil" as having its own kind of power and presense and reality.  To such individuals, you don't "break the social order", you "succumb to Evil".  They basically see the rules that Sangwa speaks of as natural or God-gievn, and therefore Evil is some sort of real life energy and force, and not just something that happens when we define some else a certain way because they live by different rules than we do.

Those people are what I meant when I said "mentally crippled." Maybe I should have referred to them as "socially severed." One often results of the other, as in normal conditions people are susceptible to social behaviour.
I believe that being certain that you are bad or wrong by nature, without provocation or need, is a psychosis. Normal people will usually find a reason to why they do things, or at least some kind of excuse.

The definition I gave is the objective one. The subjectiveness of the concept is the part where it deals with "moral" values. Moral values are traits of society and character.
Therefore we are still able to conclude what I previously did: we need to approach a more realistic view of "evil" and "good" in PS, as it is supposed to be a realistic setting. Instead of looking at those as sides to take on a battle, we should make sure people see them for what they usually are: common moral issues.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2006, 12:15:56 am by Sangwa »
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« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2006, 11:57:30 pm »
That's a good idea. One RP that managed to go in that direction, interestingly enough, was the Monstrumis Bloodline "vampire" RP. If it hadn't been unfortunate enough to have vampires in it, it would have been a really good example of a different view of evil.

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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2006, 12:03:21 am »
Using vampires is as bad as using Evil like it is being used; an alien force stripped of significance and lacking place on PS.

So I guess it didn't go in the direction I have in mind.


Capprion: Maybe they were right because each of their subjective thoughts on evil derives from its definition. And so they mentioned what they consider to be morally wrong.
If you watch closely the base of divergency is not on evil but on moral. So when we waste time with subjective chatter around evil, all we're really doing is discussing moral issues. Something we should avoid, as this is not a religious or a society forum, but a gaming one.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2006, 12:12:51 am by Sangwa »
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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2006, 10:40:28 pm »
the whole fighting thing today was stupid

i was semi apart of it...i didnt fight, i watched almsot all of it and i had no IDEA why it happened

all i konw was that ms lorina decided to harass my guild sister and me nad my mother went to her aide when we found out that our sister was outnumbered and being harassed even more, the next thing i know there is a whole group of people yelling and shouting and then all of a sudden everyone is fighting


i mena...was there even a point to any of this nonsense or were people so desperate for entertainment they jus thappened to pick on the first fenki they saw?
we were kidnapping her and yes there was a pint to it

then how come no one happened to mention it??

anywho bygones are bygones meh
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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2006, 01:36:28 am »
The best way i can describe evil is Lack of good.

That's the best general term that should be used.

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One thing....., if you're evil and you don't want people to be mad at you, try being nice lol.

If you can't take people being mad at you because you were rude to them or stole something then you don't have what it takes to be evil.

I'm tired of evil players saying, I'M JUST IN CHARACTER, THIS REALLY ISN'T ME!!

That doesn't make a difference, if you ACT like an ass, you will be treated as an ass.

Be ready for that and don't complain.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2006, 01:39:09 am by Datruth »
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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2006, 01:44:07 am »
heh, I always say that good and evil differ in the eye of the beholder, so perception is really what matters. One man's good is another's evil. The dictionary definition describes it perfectly. Just remember that the actions that fit the description are different for every person.

and yes, if you act like an ass, prepare to be treated like one :)

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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2006, 02:14:11 am »
the whole fighting thing today was stupid

i was semi apart of it...i didnt fight, i watched almsot all of it and i had no IDEA why it happened

all i konw was that ms lorina decided to harass my guild sister and me nad my mother went to her aide when we found out that our sister was outnumbered and being harassed even more, the next thing i know there is a whole group of people yelling and shouting and then all of a sudden everyone is fighting


i mena...was there even a point to any of this nonsense or were people so desperate for entertainment they jus thappened to pick on the first fenki they saw?
we were kidnapping her and yes there was a pint to it

then how come no one happened to mention it??

anywho bygones are bygones meh
if you ask her she will tell you


i thought i was gonna leave this at "let bygones be bygones" and yeah, i did ask, and i have the logs...whatev doesnt make a difference now because its OVER, happened, done, dead, big deal

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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2006, 02:15:38 am »
I seperate "evil" chars in two catagories. True evil and wanna-be evil. the wanna-bes are infact evil, but are doing the evil pretty stupidly, like mass-dueling. True evil I see as people who's wishes seem insane. I see true evil as more organised. Though there is also chaotic evil that i consider true evil. A psicopathic serial killer I suppose is doing the job right. And there is another category. Bandits. The people who run around stealing things. The better ones are sly and have aplan, and the retarded ones go around, mass duel, and go, "GIV MY UR TRIAS OR IMS GONNA HURTZ U" Not sure if this makes ence or is just psyco-babble. I hope it does make sence.

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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2006, 08:46:26 am »
Thats one reason I had some respect for whats his face... that Klyros....
Shal. He was a git to everyone but didnt complain when they spat on him.


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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2006, 09:47:02 am »
Thats one reason I had some respect for whats his face... that Klyros....
Shal. He was a git to everyone but didnt complain when they spat on him.





There was a Klyros named Shal?

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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2006, 10:59:22 am »
Instead of trying to make a definition of evil why not just look it up?

[Start Definition]
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

Evil \E"vil\ ([=e]"v'l) n.

1. Anything which impairs the happiness of a being or
        deprives a being of any good; anything which causes
        suffering of any kind to sentient beings; injury;
        mischief; harm; -- opposed to {good}.

2. Moral badness, or the deviation of a moral being from the
        principles of virtue imposed by conscience, or by the will
        of the Supreme Being, or by the principles of a lawful
        human authority; disposition to do wrong; moral offence;
        wickedness; depravity.
[End Definition]


So basically if a character is immoral, impairing your happiness, injuring or harming you or causing you to suffer then according to this the character is "evil".
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Re: Please, just stop this bullcrap.
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2006, 11:48:00 am »
Instead of trying to make a definition of evil why not just look it up?

Because concepts don't work that way.
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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2006, 12:18:27 pm »
I think evil IS a definable thing. However I do not want to get into an argument about that here. People could argue about what evil is forever.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2006, 12:24:44 pm by Malfini »
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