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Nikodemus

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2006, 07:29:16 pm »
EDIT: Clarification:
This post is directed to chazarus


If you are going to write with no sense, better don't at all.

You are asking if he or I had held a sword, i would be suprised if Xordan didn't and I also did.
More, although I wasn't fighting with real weapons, i did fight with something heavy proportionaly to my strenght, which is much lower comapring to a real knight. And i know what i'm talking about, while you don't.
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2006, 07:53:57 pm »
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If you are going to write with no sense, better don't at all.

Erm ... ditto. I didn't understand a word of your post. Sorry. I re-read it about five times to try and understand but still can't get a clear picture on what your trying to get across. Thought I would mention it because I think others are going to have the same issue.  Could you maybe clarify?
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 09:29:14 pm »
to asnwer the thread title in one single reply
what happens
duel
duellists run around (can be seen as they try to hit each other by standing close and fighting)
one hit the other in a single hit/his head falls off
dead
done
goodnight
I don't see how that answers anything.

So you really think its impossible to hit someone with a smaller weapon?
You must be semi retarded then.
1. Idiot with Superduper great sword swings and misses.
   a. Sword is heavy so it keeps going
   b.Stab the hell out of him while his sword is still following thru.
2 You are faster
   a.Run at the idiot and stab him in the neck before he moves

i can kill you with a freakin pencil if you had a sword.


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No.  If you're facing someone who has a great sword and he knows how to fight with it, you will not get close to him unless he messes up.  Period.  It's to do with the fighting style.  Now, if he doesn't have his sword at the ready, then yes he's screwed because you can get up close to him and kill him three times in quick succession.


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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 09:47:20 pm »
Let's set things straighter:
Calymores [and all the other heavy two handed swords] are for fighting mounted and the fighting consist in swinging once at your enemy and hope to deliver a blow [which will be fatal or at least will injure the oponent that badly that you'll be able to kill him by slapping him].
Main characteristics: Blunt damage, slash damage.
You don't use claymores for close combat unless:
a) You are a retard
b) You have a death wish
c) You are incredibly strong
Swords can come in a large variety of shapes, sizes and weights, and they are designed for close combat. And, yes, Xordan is right, there are swords that have very low weight and can be handled with a great speed.
Main characteristics: Slash, pierce, blunt damage.
Knives and daggers... Well, better than those, use a bow or crossbow. In close combat, as Xordan said, you don't want to use them unless you are fighting somebody that doesn't have a "longer" weapon than you. Good for backstabbing but if you are planning to fight a sword fighter with knives... well... apply points a and b from claymores.
Main characteristics: pierce damage [the slash doesn't count because of the short blade]
And now to Zanzibar's original point:
Swords can _easily_ kill in one blow. For knives... well, it is more difficult because you need to aim for soft vital spots. And if you consider the lenght of the blade, the shorter the blade, the fewer the spots. With a sword, especially with a medium weight sword, like a katana or odachi, you have a plentitude of vital spots to chose from so, your chance of delivering a fatal blow is increased.
In conclusion:
Don't play with knives.
Don't run down the stairs with pointy objects in your hands.
Don't run at a guy holding a sword with a knive in your hands. [The direction of the running should be opposite, actually]
Don't bet your life on the fact that the guy with the sword will spin for 10 min after swinging the weapon.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2006, 09:52:26 pm by Syilph »

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2006, 10:03:44 pm »
Another thing that is not being taken into account is that of racial size. What makes sense for a dwarf does not bear too much similarity to what makes sense for a kran. Also I think a knife wielder can do well against a swordsman but only if he is nimble enough to keep the sword out of his skin for long enough to find his opening. Armor is another consideration that makes a big difference in the result.

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2006, 01:04:25 am »
Pardon me Datruth, but you don't know what you are taking about. Do you live only in computer games and never go outside? In such case i'm not suprised that you are telling BS. But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is. So, go on fresh air with your "real" friend, you take 0,5m stick and to your friend give 1,5m stick and start fighting. I wish you luck in hitting him, before he hit you. Of course hit means you are dead, deeply wounded or dying so the fit ends, because it is how it is.

Excuse ME! I thought you were talking about this game, I didn't know you meant Longsword verses a Dagger in real life.

What's the need to get all rude. I mean why act like an ass?

You might want to state , Longsword vs Dagger, in real life.

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2006, 01:26:15 am »
I blame chazarus. :devil:
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2006, 05:21:40 am »
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2006, 05:23:08 am »
same bat-time and same bat-channel?

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2006, 08:40:27 am »
Dagger vs Dagger fight/training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuosnWw_3g
L.Sword vs L.Sword fight/training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQX1wVBC1is
Dagger vs. Sword training fight.
http://the-aes.org/Vids/MOV01731.MPG
It all comes down to skill and wit as far as I'm concerned IRL.
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2006, 09:03:26 am »
Dagger vs Dagger fight/training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuosnWw_3g
L.Sword vs L.Sword fight/training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQX1wVBC1is
Dagger vs. Sword training fight.
http://the-aes.org/Vids/MOV01731.MPG
It all comes down to skill and wit as far as I'm concerned IRL.
Different typs of sword fighting for download.
http://www.rsw.com.hk/videos.htm

Thank you radiant, atleast someone showed some actual evidence.

And Akaye, nice post lol :lol: was really funny :thumbup:

I have to say, bilbous added the perfect reply lol ;D

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2006, 09:19:47 am »
Dagger vs. Sword training fight.
http://the-aes.org/Vids/MOV01731.MPG
It all comes down to skill and wit as far as I'm concerned IRL.
Different typs of sword fighting for download.
http://www.rsw.com.hk/videos.htm

Hmmm... I wouldn't try to pary a sword hit with my hands or with a dagger like the guy in that movie does...

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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2006, 03:01:41 pm »
Dagger vs. Sword training fight.
http://the-aes.org/Vids/MOV01731.MPG
It all comes down to skill and wit as far as I'm concerned IRL.
Okkkk, why the guy with sword did not make a step back and swinged the weapon the other way, once it was blocked i have no idea.
I have been fighting for exactly such weapons, and i can say that the guy with sword looked like he had it first time in hands ;P Look at his steps... The sword is to swing with it and control its speed, not stop waiting for the hit.
Although this example shows that you can win. I did not say oherwise, but tried to point out it is very hard. A skilled dagger figher has high chances to defeat unskilled sword fighter. In one of the first posts, if not first, i meantioned example ratio, basing on skills of both warriors while one has a sword and the other a dagger.

But saying that daggers are b3st3st is just not even worth listening.

Hmmm... I wouldn't try to pary a sword hit with my hands or with a dagger like the guy in that movie does...
Actually, it is the way you try to do it, but it isn't smart to make a mistake while doing so ;P

Datruth, maybe i was indeed too harsh, but since nothing i wrote about is in game, i was obviously refering to an idea. Further, as the games are made basing on reality (what you know already ;P) there was no reason to point out what should be in game and what is i real, because it should be the same thing. As an idea, i see no reason to describe unrealistic approach, as it is realistic by default. So your comment was highly "unfitting" to what i was trying to show ;)
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2006, 10:20:23 pm »
I blame Chazarus too.

Wait I'm Chazarus.

No matter daggers kick swords ass in game end of story. ;D
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Re: Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2006, 10:47:11 pm »
ummm, well, how I see it is that dagger users are much more nimble, not having to carry around a huge sword helps with that.

Now, didnt the romans conquer the vast majority of europe using the gladius? a short bladed chopping sword. im quite sure that other races used longer swords but didnt get so many kills.

I realise that Romans had the upper hand in tactics, but a large part of the tactics were the weapons used.

Anyway, its just a game  :o

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