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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2006, 06:51:08 am »
There are no humans in the game unless somehow one of the portals came from Earth. There are races that are particularly humanish but I would suggest it is wrong to call them specifically human. I also think human could refer to any sentient species in the game. Fuzzy Sapiens anyone?

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2006, 11:00:06 pm »
Actually, humans are called humans in PS. The races page refers to them as "humans", more than once. So FAICT, they are called humans, even IC-ly.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2006, 12:07:58 am »
Indeed that appears to be correct, and there are elves and dwarves, called as such. I don't often glance at the settings page. It seems odd to me that there are such things and yet goblins, dragons and other earthly creations are explicitly refuted. It seems contradictory but not worth making a big deal about. I am certain there must be an explanation somewhere on these forums if I cared enough to look for it.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2006, 11:16:49 pm »
Well, my expanation is that it's there in order to not force people to RP something they don't want to / aren't used to relate to. Humans, dwarves and elves are traditional fantasy, and as such are generally known. IOW, without them, PS would lose play value. OTOH, things like dragons are in no way a requirement, and "Gobble" does not equal "Goblin". Regardless, they represent concepts that are not really well defined anyway, though the name creates certain expectations and associations, which are neither required nor necessarily beneficial to PS. That's why they are explicitely avoided, while the general, broad concepts are not. Pterosaurs, for example, certainly match some definitions of "dragons". Yet, not naming them "dragons" frees everyone from the urge to save princesses or little villages from them all the time. It's also cheaper for the owners of a pterosaur, since they don't need to continually re-purchase them and maintain a pile of valuables for them to rest on.

Something else came to my mind WRT the original tpoic: the terms "male" and "female" are also a good thing to use, in conjunction with <race> or standalone. Especially Enkidukai would likely use these terms instead of woman and man, given that several Enkidukai are RP'd with, partially pronounced, similarity to non-sentient felines, usually cats.

I'd be careful when calling an Enkidukai "cat", because it is not yet known if cats exist in Yliakum. If they do, though, then Enkidukai will probably be similarly offended as humans would be when called "monkey". It is, however, possibly that the offending meaning is weaker than IRL, and it usually is RP'd weaker (i.e., normally humorous and only offensive in an already negative context).
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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2006, 11:39:42 pm »
Well thank you for the explaination. This is one of the topics that seems to come up quite often and indeed has been explained elsewhere. I can't link it without searching. I'm sorry I mentioned it as I should have searched in the first place.

Back on topic, more or less, I do not think Lords and Ladies are appropriate titles for a democratic society, deriving from a feudal source as they do, so I won't use them and indeed sometimes go out of my way to get them explained to me in character. Some people with long-standing characters have such backgrounds in their descriptions and back-story so while I don't approve it is not up to me to tell people what they can or can't do and I would only make something of it in a spirit of mischief.

There we go, we can refer to males and females as chief and mischief   :innocent:

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2006, 08:03:09 am »
I am a little surprised that this hasn't been suggested yet but, I always found the term "dwarfess" a convenient designation for a female dwarf.

Also, just my two tria but, I feel that the whole "Lady" and "Lord" designations are used a bit too freely, particularly considering that there are actually people who RP as having royal backgrounds. IC it makes it somewhat confusing... Though I appreciate that in many cases it makes sense IC to use a term of respect when addressing someone, perhaps a different term would serve the purpose better.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2006, 10:49:42 pm »
I am a little surprised that this hasn't been suggested yet but, I always found the term "dwarfess" a convenient designation for a female dwarf.
True, I've heard that used once or twice, but I'm really indifferent to it. Maybe because it sounds a tad like "princess" to me.
Also, just my two tria but, I feel that the whole "Lady" and "Lord" designations are used a bit too freely, particularly considering that there are actually people who RP as having royal backgrounds. IC it makes it somewhat confusing...
I think these aren't actually royality as in the RL sense. The settings has nothing like kings and such, anyway. Thus, I think they're referring to Vigesimi (or Octarchs), not kings, and therefore the titles for such nobility are more or less meaningless, and thus can be used more freely (just as "sir" IRL doesn't require a knight to be used). It may be desirable to not use the terms at all, though, if better terms exist.
Though I appreciate that in many cases it makes sense IC to use a term of respect when addressing someone, perhaps a different term would serve the purpose better.
I think the most common terms used are "sir" and "lady". The term "lady" feels OK, but it does have some royality-related meanings. However, "lady" can also mean the one who's in charge of the family (any family, not just royal ones), as well as the female version of "gentleman". In light of lack of nobility, I think "lady" is used exclusively in the latter two forms ingame (just as "sir" is used in it's meaning of respectful title).

However, maybe "madam" would be better suited, though not that flowing.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2006, 05:22:21 pm »
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