Dark empire discussion

[Ecuetas]

But the Dark Empire does want to control the people.

You insult me by saying Im lying? You don't even know me, so sheathe your tongue, and don't call people you don't know liars

[ThomPhoenix]

No, they do want to control the whole of Yliakum.

edit: replying by editing older posts is annoying, don't do it.

And to reply in this annoying way, as I do not want to doublepost:
You're totally wrong, the goal of the Dark Empire is obviously to conquer the world. Maybe the leaders don't trust you enough if they didn't tell you their long-term goals.

[Nurahk]

Have control over all of Yliakum.  Of course, who doesn't want to keep their friends from dying?

The control we seek is not evil, it's human nature.

[Ecuetas]

Phoenix you're 1 post away from annoying the crap out of me. And they do trust me. So Guess what. Annoy me, and I'll show you true evil in the game 

[lordraleigh]

I like this @Nurahk, to keep the answers more or less like they would IC to avoid something called spoiling and to keep people curious.

And @Ecuetas, the Dark Empire means would be more or less around "Lawful Good" or "Lawful Neutral", but its ends, it's another history that no one is sure about.

But my advice.

Time to weed out this alignment discussion. The Dark Empire "alignment" is "Loyalty, Virtue and Honor".

Have control over all of Yliakum.  Of course, who doesn't want to keep their friends from dying?

The control we seek is not evil, it's human nature.

Ambition is one of the aspects of human nature

[Nurahk]

And Ambition is only a bad thing when the dose is too large.

[ThomPhoenix]

Have control over all of Yliakum.  Of course, who doesn't want to keep their friends from dying?

The control we seek is not evil, it's human nature.

I'm not saying that that control is evil at all, on the contrary! I'm merely pointing out how awfully blunt Ecuetas is for someone who's supposed to be a "respectable member" of the glorious Dark Empire.

phoenix you're 1 post away from annoying the crap out of me. And they do trust me. So Guess what. Annoy me, and I'll show you true evil in the game  LOL

Proved my point. It seems the quality of Dark Empire members is degrading. You should act, Nurahk, he is your pet after all.

[Nurahk]

He does his job well, Thom.

He may not be the most political of people but, I'm not going to make the all too common mistake of punishing him for OOC acts.

He is a respectable member, he's not a political member at all.

[ThomPhoenix]

Hmm, yes, a blunt weapon. But hey, those are needed too!
And I wasn't suggesting IC punishment for OOC acts

[Ecuetas]

Nope, Im the Muscle of the group 

I don't do polotics Im the muscle for a reason 

  did I get back into this topic? I was content mining.

[bilbous]

It seems a little contradictory to claim to be honorable and yet to hide your affiliations, why is the top level guild secret, exactly? I am not too invested in this argument but think this may be the source of some contention.

[Nurahk]

@bilbous: I don't see how it is contradictory to be honorable while hiding your affiliations,
I see no reason why the mute hero is any less of a hero than the one who will never shut up.

I'll not have this thread turn into a discussion about Ecuetas.
He's got great leadership, all he has to do is take control of his
pride.

The Empire is, as it always has been, known only to a select few
at the top of the chain.  What little that is hidden to the rest of
the Empire may prove crucial in this discussions about the Empire.

As Shadowlord I am in control of the diplomatic entity in the Empire
and with said standing I'm going to ask that only Natrina, Setmot, Sangwa and
Myself reply to the arguments and questions that will be brough up in
this thread.  This is an annoying restriction which even I do not fully
agree with but, I am hoping that it will help end this needless thread
and the many other times the Empire has been brought up.

Therefore, I'll open the stage to any questions or concerns you may have
Sangwa, Setmot, Natrina or Myself will answer them.  I'll ask that you keep your
questions structured.

[ThomPhoenix]

Shaping the future towards your own means, that's the same as controlling it.

[Nurahk]

That's the same as trying to be successful.
Or planning to have a baby.
Or trying to get a promotion.
Or attempting to survive a battle.

Or...pretty much anything...

The whole idea of life is shaping the future towards your own means.

There is nothing natural about capitalism or its premises.

In the natural world, we do see examplse of animals and insects working towards a common goal.  We see self sacrifice for the common good.  Some creatures work according to their ability and take according to their needs.  This idea of everyone being out for themselves in a cut throat competitive environment is not natural.  It's not even human.  The reason why the human race has achieved such greatness is because of our ability to work together and take care of one another.

Not only is capitalism unnatural, it's unhuman as well.

You've got a very strange idea of what nature is like.  Wolf packs have their alpha males, apes have their alpha males, all pack animals have their alpha males.

The alpha male very rarely condemns the rest of the pack to starve so that he can eat more.
All the same, this is the wrong thread.

[ThomPhoenix]

But Nurahk, we're not talking about shaping the future of one individual, as in your examples, but of the future of an entire world.