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bilbous

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Re: Quote mechanism
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2007, 07:51:02 am »
If that is indeed a fake quote, and it appears fairly likely it is, then yes it too should be dealt with (and you, perhaps, should have pm'd a moderator instead of repeating it.) I was at work when that thread went haywire but I do believe the rule should be enforced in all cases.

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2007, 07:57:22 am »
If that is indeed a fake quote, and it appears fairly likely it is, then yes it too should be dealt with (and you, perhaps, should have pm'd a moderator instead of repeating it.) I was at work when that thread went haywire but I do believe the rule should be enforced in all cases.

It was an self-made fake quote purely intended for example purposes, to show how easy this system can be exploited.
I created it as an example about this, so don't take it seriously.

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2007, 09:05:54 am »
You are entitled to your opinion. I tell you this though most HR people are looking to find a reason to reject an applicant and to reduce the sheer volume they have to wade through so first appearances are VERY important.

That's relevant for your resume, sure.  But it's not relevant to your activities on an obscure message forum.

I have been using this nick for ten years or so and it is fairly unique, I do not want it associated with things I did not say. Some of the things I say are bad enough in their own way but at least I said them.

Then that's your bad.  Don't use this moniker professionally and you'll be in the clear.

So there would be no way to prove zanzibar did not post that for example(Unless the mods and admins of the forum keep backups from delete posts, etc.).

Well, there is the idea of innocent until proven guilty...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 09:08:47 am by zanzibar »
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2007, 08:52:11 pm »
If this is causing so much fuss, wouldn't it be easier to just avoid "misusing the quotes" and move on?
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2007, 08:57:51 pm »
If this is causing so much fuss, wouldn't it be easier to just avoid "misusing the quotes" and move on?

Of course.  Neko and I talked a day or two ago and I agreed to use a different format when I "fix" statements.
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lordraleigh

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2007, 09:01:45 pm »
If this is causing so much fuss, wouldn't it be easier to just avoid "misusing the quotes" and move on?

But some people give a **** about that and will misuse the quotes intentionally for their greater goals, so by changing it to block such framing tricks, future headaches for the moderators regarding fake quotes will be avoided.

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2007, 09:03:28 pm »
Of course.  Neko and I talked a day or two ago and I agreed to use a different format when I "fix" statements.

Cool beans, glad to hear the argument is just for the sake of arguing now.
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2007, 10:29:27 pm »
It's not for the sake of arguing.  I just find the whole thing silly and I disagree with the remarks bilbous made.  Since they indirectly target me, I'm not completely out of line in responding to them.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2007, 10:34:50 pm »
I wasn't being entirely serious. Just a sort of "carry on" comment :]
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2007, 10:37:14 pm »
Of course.  Neko and I talked a day or two ago and I agreed to use a different format when I "fix" statements.

Cool beans, glad to hear the argument is just for the sake of arguing now.

Zanzi's favourite kind... :P


Anyway, I put in a search just for giggles. Most of what I got was poetry, several different profiles, one or two old threads on here, a bunch of people speaking French, and some guy who seemed to misspell 'bulbous' :P As far as I can tell, the most hits you'll get from a single site are like, 3, at least in the first 10 pages of results.

I figure if they're really interested in you enough to run much more in-depth searchs than that, then you've already got the job.

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2007, 01:27:57 am »
Interestingly, I actually agree to both sides.

On one hand, it definitely is to be strictly avoided to link your RL identity to any online pseudonym. It's OK for people you trust, but in general, just asking for trouble. By now, the governments aren't the ones spying on people most excessively. Corporations are, having have various reasons to do so, ranging from judging prospect employees over spam right to identity theft. Add to this that in any given country, there is only one government targetting you, while there are lots of corporations.

On the other hand, the act of making it appear as if someone said something that they did not say, even if you think that you can accurately deduce the "actual meaning", borders on lying (especially when, like in a heated discussion, the things that one reads may differ greatly from the things that were written). Therefore, this practice should not be employed, nor should it be allowed. Whtether or not it can actually be verified or prevented is sort of irrelevant; what is relelvant is the message that is sent, which is either "feel free" or "don't do that". I actually think that, if the intent truly is to represent some form of "I'm a psychic and know what you think" style stuff, it would make for a very poor effect. The crucial differences, which make up the point, may easily get missed, even if blatant, due to all sorts of circumstances.
The only thing for which this could be used to great effect is, as has been said, for producing false evidence, which is something that shouldn't be allowed in any decent forum, anyway, and naturally won't be employed by people who try to be decent forum members.

Therefore, while it shouldn't harm you outside the forum in question, it's bad, and inefficient, discussion practice.
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bilbous

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2007, 06:40:51 am »
Not to mention that it potentially opens the quoter up to litigation under libel laws. Zanzibar's defense that it is just an obscure forum is like saying  I am free to blow up Dildo, Newfoundland because it is an obscure place.

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2007, 07:01:54 am »
It's not libel because I'm never actually attributing the quotes to you.
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bilbous

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2007, 07:24:11 am »
Lawyers love to argue niceties like that, especially if they think they can make you settle out of court. Then of course there is which jurisdiction will the case be heard, I suppose it might be California where the server is or it might be wherever the offended person lives, hard to say. Are you up for getting a California lawyer to avoid a default judgment? I'm just talking here of course. It isn't likely to be where you live and a default judgment could cause you problems if it is in a friendly country. Why would you want to risk it just for a cheap laugh?

 
Going to Newfoundland anytime soon?

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Re: Quote mechanism
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2007, 07:40:33 am »
If I'm never actually attributing the quotes to you, it's not libel.
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