Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)

[drah]

Let's remove everything that could rely on player skill too.. like Groffeltoe and any other sub-games the devs might be thinking of that work in a similar fashion. -- Unless of course they all run automatically and are based on a char's INT skill.

@Zanzibar.. How many of the YWL competitors does this apply to? (as a percentage)

[Karyuu]

Allive: The time-limit UTM was talking about is only imposed by the amount of things you may need to do to get out. So you're not going to be wandering around twiddling your thumbs, you may have quests to complete and new things to learn. If you do them all fast, great. If they take you more time, you'll need more time. Anyway, this is all concept talk. I doubt anyone is going to force any character to a single place for a month.

[zanzibar]

ok guys 1 for the prison map makeing ppl stay there for a month real life will lose you players i promise you this not to mention you will most likely lose a lot of older players i can say for damn sure if i have to go to jail for a month ill hardly ever be playing within that time and im pritty sure others will do the same thing not to mention new ppl they come in dont know what things do punch in command bang jail for a month you think they are going to stick around hell no there going to uninstall the game quicker than the can blink.

The whole point is to get rid of unwanted players.

[Idoru]

Why cant people live and let live? (live and let duel maybe ;o))

If you want to duel, then do it, but not in stupid places like the tavern (IC you would be barred) or infront of harnquists (I doubt he would be too happy to clean up the mess from his shop front).

If people are content to go to the DR or the arena to test their skill in combat then what is really the problem with that?

[EDIT]

@Zanzibar This frankly isnt your personal playground, a player that you find undesireable may not be the same as a player I find undesireable. Same goes for everyone else here. We all have different levels of tolerance to things that we dont like. It just seems that some are alot less tolerant than others.

[Garon]

- Rebirth could cause temporary stat/skill modifiers (ie. INT drops to 20 for a game hour).

This could be giving an IC reason, as well, such as when you leave the soul re-entering the body it weakens the body both mentally and physically (which means it would be a pain to immediately begin dueling after leaving the DR).


I think your problems are highly generalized and not specific to particular duelers:  There are some like this, and there are others who are not.  Metaphorically, your solution is like using an atom bomb to get rid of what a surgical missile strike could do just as easily.

[Under the moon]

Allive: Exactly. However, you missed some of my points. New folks could not do illegal comands any more than you can port yourself around the game with GM commands.

In other games, if you kill a guard or some such, do you scream and cry because they come after you, and you have to restart the level? Do you say it was not fair, and you should be able to just do whatever you want?

If you left the game because you did not have completely free access to any 'evil' funtion in the game, I would just shrug my shoulders and hope the new changes would bring back some of the good players who left because they got sick of the constant duels.

And yes to what Karyuu said. There would be a set time that you would have to stay there if you did nothing. Two days for stealing bread, one week for assulting and robbing someone, two weeks for killing. You could get out much sooner by doing 'good deeds' in prison (quests). Or, there would be the very rare chance of breaking out. But then you have all the guards in the game on the lookout for you, pretty much banning you from all cities. I would actually not mind playing such a character. If you do, then peace out, and have fun in another game.

[zanzibar]

Why cant people live and let live? (live and let duel maybe ;o))

If you want to duel, then do it, but not in stupid places like the tavern (IC you would be barred) or infront of harnquists (I doubt he would be too happy to clean up the mess from his shop front).

If people are content to go to the DR or the arena to test their skill in combat then what is really the problem with that?

The problem is that a lot of people ruin the game for others, they scare away potential roleplayers from the game, and they encourage a bad culture to develope.

@Zanzibar This frankly isnt your personal playground, a player that you find undesireable may not be the same as a player I find undesireable. Same goes for everyone else here. We all have different levels of tolerance to things that we dont like. It just seems that some are alot less tolerant than others.

Then I guess it's lucky for me that a lot of people see things my way.

[bilbous]

I like UtM's idea but I would make escape possible with outside consequences, more vigilant guards more random law encounters etc. As well I would like to see arduous quests that could redeem the player which would cause the player to lose skill levels in the black arts. For example a player kills someone and is sentenced to x years during which he builds up 50 levels of black skills, maybe escaping twice adding y years to his term. When he gets out finally he has 100 levels all told in black arts and then in some mystical role play his life is saved by a holy man who convinces him to turn away from the dark. So he goes to the temple and undertakes the process which may be 20 different multiple element tasks at which time he has redeemed himself. At the end of this process he may have only 10 levels of the black arts to access and usage of them would require further redemption quests no matter how worthy the cause for using them.

[drah]

Ahodogie,Anine,Alecin,Alliva,Arerano,Arunis,Bikrof,Blayze,Cahngui,Cebot,Cilay,
Ecuetas,Epyrion,Frangelica,Gankro,Jangeol,Marqsaynt,Mirey,Motmot,Narure,Nefert,
Poundus,Rell,Restound,Rinha,Rongar,Sallorile,Secagy,Silavur,Sissarliss,Socia,Symasta,
Tanner,Trymm,Tungor,Volund,Xylaal,Zwenze.

I'd say 80-90% of these people enjoy RP... they also enjoy(ed) duels enough to be part of a competition.

Zanzibar, are you saying the game would be better off with ALL of them gone, simply because they like dueling???

I ask this because you've not only mentioned removing dueling... but getting rid of people who like dueling too.

[Idoru]

How is a roleplayer scared away by seeing someone duel? surely the would accept that in a world full of mercenaries, heroes and warriors your bound to get some 'testosterone' fuelled violence. Thats life, in this world and in Yliakum.

As for those who agree with you, its only those who use the forums who we know agree, and only, IMO, a vocal minority.

Drah, very good post.

[zanzibar]

Ahodogie,Anine,Alecin,Alliva,Arerano,Arunis,Bikrof,Blayze,Cahngui,Cebot,Cilay,
Ecuetas,Epyrion,Frangelica,Gankro,Jangeol,Marqsaynt,Mirey,Motmot,Narure,Nefert,
Poundus,Rell,Restound,Rinha,Rongar,Sallorile,Secagy,Silavur,Sissarliss,Socia,Symasta,
Tanner,Trymm,Tungor,Volund,Xylaal,Zwenze.

I'd say 80-90% of these people enjoy RP... they also enjoy(ed) duels enough to be part of a competition.

Zanzibar, are you saying the game would be better off with ALL of them gone, simply because they like dueling???

I ask this because you've not only mentioned removing dueling... but getting rid of people who like dueling too.

It's not as simple as that.

[Under the moon]

I agree, it is not as simple as that, and you gave the reason why yourself.

"they also enjoy(ed) duels enough to be part of a competition."

Note the underlined bold word. You did not say "part of running around randomly trying to fight people and starting duels for stupid reasons, both IC and OOC."

edit* I do not think duels should be banned. But I do think there needs to be limits and options. A limit to how many times you fight an hour would be fine. Fight too much, and a guard comes to find you on grounds that you have been disturbing the peace.

[drah]

No I didn't.. but then Zanzibar made no distinction in his posts, and continues to make little distinction too.

I'm just irritated to see it implied that 'duelers' all act the same.  When a broad term like that, is attributed to the behavior of a minority of overall 'duelers'.

It misrepresents many of us.

[zanzibar]

No I didn't.. but then Zanzibar made no distinction in his posts, and continues to make little distinction too.

Damn me and my appeals to intuition!

[lordraleigh]

Ahodogie,Anine,Alecin,Alliva,Arerano,Arunis,Bikrof,Blayze,Cahngui,Cebot,Cilay,
Ecuetas,Epyrion,Frangelica,Gankro,Jangeol,Marqsaynt,Mirey,Motmot,Narure,Nefert,
Poundus,Rell,Restound,Rinha,Rongar,Sallorile,Secagy,Silavur,Sissarliss,Socia,Symasta,
Tanner,Trymm,Tungor,Volund,Xylaal,Zwenze.

I'd say 80-90% of these people enjoy RP... they also enjoy(ed) duels enough to be part of a competition.

Zanzibar, are you saying the game would be better off with ALL of them gone, simply because they like dueling???

I ask this because you've not only mentioned removing dueling... but getting rid of people who like dueling too.

If duelling is fully removed, I guess not only it'll make this game closer to:

If you really don't like anything but the rping theres this great game you can download instead. It's called IRC.

But also many of the members inside a guild I just helped to be founded will be gone forever.

Lastly, why take away something that was developed? This seems like a disrespect for those who worked hard to create the current duelling system only to see it removed.

Lets remove transfers of items between players, because people exploit it by making miner alts too!

No I didn't.. but then Zanzibar made no distinction in his posts, and continues to make little distinction too.

I'm just irritated to see it implied that 'duelers' all act the same.  When a broad term like that, is attributed to the behavior of a minority of overall 'duelers'.

It misrepresents many of us.

Except for duels in the Arena, that should be fully open for them for obvious reasons.