Psions and Psionics

[Peacer]

this thread has become interesting. I am on the psionics side, and I have quite some experiences concerning this topic.

I'm going to tell about one I had yesterday. I just got a new person on my msn from a community site because I wrote in my profile I was a natural empath (like Eliseth.)

Now, I only had pictures of myself in my profile, and she knew nothing about any of my x'es. Or actually anything at all besides what I've written in my profile.

She told about a special power to know where people forgot their stuff. I wanted to test her. So I asked her where I forgot my eyeliner. It could basically be anywhere, I told her. I was scanning her at the same time. Couldn't really feel any psychic activity at her first two guesses as they were just "guesses." Then I piped her up by saying she could do it and such things.

Then she asked me if I had recently seen a girl with blond hair, it was quite long, a bit longer than the shoulders. And I said yes, it was my x.

This is just one of many. If you can give me a scientific explanation whatsoever to the above, try me. I'll prove you wrong.

[Zan]

Hmm I must of got confused with somthing else on my first post. Now that I understand it better and looked at it more I doubt it's possible. Of course im not just another nobody with an oppinion ... im basing this off of science, since I did get in the 92 percentile on a science test in all of Florida. It may be possible with a device but sadley a human body could not possibly form energy outside of there body in any shape or form.

If we really want to get sciency here I'll chip in.

*hits the buzzer*

Human bodies generate heat, have an electromagnetic field surrounding them and emit waves. Oh and then there are these other little bits like pheromones and who know what other molecules or energy types we just spread around.

The first one is, I hope, obvious without elaboration.

The second one is generally called a biomagnetic field. You want science .. lookhere.

The third is for example brainwave emission. Oh look another article.

Now people if you really want to argue science, I'll be happy to throw actual scientific articles at you until you weep, not those pseudoscientific writings that consists of nothing but homemade theories. Believing in science is good, very good even .. I am a scientist. Believing that science is the only ultimate judge over what exists and what does not exist is narrowminded, believing everything that science dictates to be completely accurate is simply foolish. Science develops as we learn more, it is very far away from forming a complete picture on the human body, the nature of interaction between individuals on a subphysical level or even the nature of reality on a subphysical level. I know a whole lot about the first, not so much about the latter two but as a scientist I do not believe that just because science has not explained it, it cannot exist. I am a sane, down-to-earth person and I believe in the things that I have experienced even if I don't exactly know how they work. I just know they work.

P.S.: Not saying I believe in all that is grouped together under psionics, only some of it's foundations I can confirm. The rest is plausible until proven to exist.

[Idoru]

Im going to just give up and bow out of this thread. Its geting to the point where it seems like a religious debate. Some people have faith in it and some people dont.

[emeraldfool]

Im going to just give up and bow out of this thread. Its geting to the point where it seems like a religious debate. Some people have faith in it and some people dont.

Idoru's right - like I said, there is no definitive 'proof' one way or the other. It's a matter of faith, or lack there of.

There are plenty of explanations for things like these, such as Mass Hallucination Phenomenon or Non-Actuated Hallucinations. The thing is, a lot of the theories refuting things like Psionics, were built around refuting them (i.e. they saw a bunch of people talking about it, and then came up with Mass Hallucination as an explanation, instead of it being a pre-established occurrence)

Like Zan was getting at, that's how science works: you take the unexplainable, and attempt to explain it in a way that's universal and consistent. Once you reach a consistency, you call it 'proof'. Whereas in reality, your explanation is as good as any. At the root of it all, science is exactly the same as religion - words and concepts. The difference is simply which you believe in and which you do not.

[LARAGORN]

One thing we need to keep in mind is that even if there is proof, it may not make it to the masses and become widley known. I am sure most here have heard of information being witheld from the public on health issues and war and political crap, well science is the same. If new discoveries or proof is found that changes the accepted method and ideas of modern science, a lot of things would change and a lot of people would be out of work and branded fools. One such example is John Bell, the creator of the 'Bell Theorum', he sucsesfully did experiments prooving that it is possible to move faster than the speed of light in 1964. He also established that reality is non-local reafirming the Copenhagen Interpretation. In 1984 a team led by Alain Aspect in Paris conducted an experiment that could measure if a given elementary particle could "communicate" with another elementary particle farther away faster than any light could have traveled between them, exactly as Bell did and indeed, this was undeniably the apparent result.

There are lots of things that are being kept from the public as far as the subjects of physics and consciousness are concerned . . . Bell’s Theorem was proved in 1964, and it is still not taught in physics classes,  and you don’t hear it on your science news programs. A theorem is a proof, and no one’s found a flaw in this theorem. It’s such a simple proof that a high school kid can understand it . . . so physicists can understand it. They have various ways of trying to ignore it, but it can’t be refuted because it’s so simple.  A non local interaction links up one location with another without crossing space, without decay, and without delay. A non local interaction is, in short, unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate.

There is nothing absolute, there are no real facts, there is only our understandings of what we have discoverd thus far. Our knowledge is only held back by our belief system. I believe nothing is impossible, we just havent figured out how to do it yet.

I dont want to hijack this thread, so look for one later today on 'Facts and Laws of our understanding'

Be well and think well

Laragorn

[tssthorn]

I am going to take a look at the video, it's so strange but this always happends to me .. I talk about somthing and I end up hearing it everywhere there after. At work somone  mentioned that video that is posted here. It's also the same with words .. I learn a new word and my family and the peope I am around all of a sudden start using that word even though they never have before. When somthing like this happends I always have to look into it more.

[Karyuu]

tssthorn: Same thing happens with me all the time :] It's kinda fun.

[emeraldfool]

I am going to take a look at the video, it's so strange but this always happends to me .. I talk about somthing and I end up hearing it everywhere there after. At work somone  mentioned that video that is posted here. It's also the same with words .. I learn a new word and my family and the peope I am around all of a sudden start using that word even though they never have before. When somthing like this happends I always have to look into it more.

That's actually very common. I forget the word for it, but basically your brain tends to block out small things that it doesn't understand. You're actually hearing and seeing these things all the time, you're just not aware of it because you forget about it almost instantaneously. But once you do understand it, your brain registers these things, so it appears that suddenly everyone's talking about it, whereas really it's just you that finally gets what everyone's talking about.

They say that only about 10% of what we experience is actually stored in our memory - the rest is as if it never happened.

[tssthorn]

I watched the video actually, it is definitely interesting but it does not have anything to do with psionics, if someone may please elaborate for me what it has to do with it .. I will listen. From what I understand is that we see what we want to see and what we know. I already knew this in some sense but learned a lot more about it. The only thing i can see how these to are related is it just makes it possible but does not mean it is, basically there is no proof to it still. Now could you walk on water if you believed you could? I am not sure .. tell that to the people who believed they could fly and plummeted to the ground. Though the ones who tried that where not sane, so I guess it doesn't count so I will be a bit more open minded. How ever I will admit the video made a lot of sense.


I am going to try to give some of you a basic understanding of what this video is telling us.
Go outside ... look around, now think about all the times you have gone outside where you stand, have you ever actually stood there to notice everything. Look harder.
I guarantee you will see something you did not know was there. Such as when you go outside you have a wide vision of everything you see yet you only notice what you want to see, what about the sky that is in your vision, what about the trees, the grass, the animals, the buildings, the ground, the lights ... do you notice all these things at the specific moment you look outside ..... no, you have to think about it to notice it.

Here is another example .... you have a hat, you put it on your head. Later that day your looking for your hat and cannot find it ... you walk into the bathroom looking for your hat ...it's not there .. you continue looking and can't find it anywhere when you finally realize it is on your head already. Now what you don't realize is when you walked into the bathroom you had a clear view of the mirror yet you are not going to look in a mirror for a hat now are you .. so even though you saw it you didn't because that's not where your mind is focused at.

The other part of it is talking about real quantum physics, I can't explain it exactly, much to hard. That's where I suggest you watch the video. Cause from what i gathered there is that pretty much everything you think is real exists .. anything you think is possible is possible .. like if you truly believe you can walk on water you can. In this case if I completely understood it then I would say psionics is 90% possible, but I am not going to include this in there as I need it to be explained more and even though I'm into science this is where it goes beyond my comprehension.

Hope that makes sense, so you may not think psionics are real .... but how can you be sure if you mind can not comprehend it so you do not see it. So what this shows is that it is possible, but when you include all other science as well as this one it also denies the possibility of this. So either science is wrong, or current theories which happens a lot and we just do not understand it all or it just does not exist. In other words psionics has a 90% chance that it's not real but a 10% chance that it is.

How did I get these results, well it's very simple, the only proof we have even with quantum physics of psionics is that people say they can do it which I would give it 10% chance.
Now I did say I am a BIT more open minded about it, and yes I am because with out this theory on quantum physics I had a 0% chance of believing it.

The last thing is the part at which I did not understand, tihs is like one of those theorys that cannot be recorded as of yet.

*edit*

I am going to take a look at the video, it's so strange but this always happends to me .. I talk about somthing and I end up hearing it everywhere there after. At work somone  mentioned that video that is posted here. It's also the same with words .. I learn a new word and my family and the peope I am around all of a sudden start using that word even though they never have before. When somthing like this happends I always have to look into it more.

That's actually very common. I forget the word for it, but basically your brain tends to block out small things that it doesn't understand. You're actually hearing and seeing these things all the time, you're just not aware of it because you forget about it almost instantaneously. But once you do understand it, your brain registers these things, so it appears that suddenly everyone's talking about it, whereas really it's just you that finally gets what everyone's talking about.

They say that only about 10% of what we experience is actually stored in our memory - the rest is as if it never happened.

Sorry for the double post ahead of time. Yes this is exactly what is described in the video pretty much, the words may be used everyday, but since you do not have a understanding of the word you just do not hear it. If that is the case with hearing .. then I would say the same goes with all senses. Which makes the video very plausible .. well some parts at least.

[ Don't apologize for a double-post: just don't make one. Please "Modify" your first post to add more information next time :> --Karyuu ]

[lordraleigh]

Anyone can be a psionic? I thought that only very few people supposedly had skills like ESP, Telekinesis and such.

Now going on sci-fi: A possible way to achieve a capability similar to these supposedly existing psionics, in the distant future, would be the use of some kind of wireless Mind-machine interface and of Nanotechnology to create nanobots that would be activated through mind input sent through the interface to them, realizing the commands a man mentally inputs to these tiny machines, and transmitting messages between different minds among other things.

[Eliseth]

@lordraleigh: Yes, everyone can be a psion, some just are more naturally "open" to it.

@tssthorn: What has it got to do with psionics? Well you've answered it yourself. Quantum Physics makes psionics plausible, it means we have a lot more control over the energy around us than most people realise. The only way that you will be able to prove it's existance is if you personally go out and try to learn these abilities. There is one problem however, the fact that you doubt it's possible will already dampen your abilities. If you go to any psion and ask what their secret is, somewhere along the line they will say that they've gotten rid of the doubt. This is one of the reasons psionics is so difficult for some people. In order to believe in it they would like to do it themselves but because they don't believe in it they can't.

One thing I can say is that there are definite bonuses to practicing psionics. As you go further into the theory and practice of psionics, your mind-set starts to change. People who were once very materialistic and "money wise" become less materialistic and more spiritual. You learn a lot about your own emotions and thoughts and those of the people around you, and you learn to be happy no matter what your circumstaces are.

One more thing, I watched a documentary the other day on near death experiences and I can tell you that some of those cases have yet to be scientifically explained. People who are clinically dead, in a state where it's literally impossible to sense anything, come back to life and recall the most amazing experiences. Some are even able to tell in great detail what the doctors were saying while they were "dead". My mother was in fact had a near death experience before I was born, and she told me how she looked down at her body and listened to what the doctors were saying.

Anyway, I've started rambling now. When it comes to psionics, you either believe it or you don't.

[Peacer]

Anyway, I've started rambling now. When it comes to psionics, you either believe it or you don't.

true, although people are more inclined to believe it when they tried it, or have felt it on themselves. Although, it depends on what you're going to use this for which determines how far you'll get. Bragging, making you tihnk yourslef better than others, hurting others or the liking will get you no where if that's your intention. Doing it to cross the boundaries of reaility or to find ways making people happy/helping them in any way will make you progress easier.
why? This has something to do with your subconciousness.

About my last post, still don't see anything to counter it, guess this means psionics excist :p

[Eliseth]

Anyway, I've started rambling now. When it comes to psionics, you either believe it or you don't.

true, although people are more inclined to believe it when they tried it, or have felt it on themselves. Although, it depends on what you're going to use this for which determines how far you'll get. Bragging, making you tihnk yourslef better than others, hurting others or the liking will get you no where if that's your intention. Doing it to cross the boundaries of reaility or to find ways making people happy/helping them in any way will make you progress easier.
why? This has something to do with your subconciousness.

About my last post, still don't see anything to counter it, guess this means psionics excist :p

I don't think this is entirely true peace. In my experience your intention can be either good or bad, it doesn't make a difference. Bragging might hamper your progress yes, but it's more the consiquences of bragging rather than the bragging itself. Practicing psionics to help others will certainly make the experience for fulfilling yes, but it won't really help you progress faster. Although I have noted that people doing it for good often have more patience and determination to practice often, and therfore progress easier. Many people, especially young teenagers, start practicing psionics because it's a cool thing to be able to do, it will impress their friends, they'll be uber ninja psychic hackers Those types of people rarely progress at all because they expect immediate results and generally loose interest quite quickly.

And about your previous post, it may or may not be psionics, it could just be coincedence. So it proves nothing sorry.

[LARAGORN]

She told about a special power to know where people forgot their stuff. I wanted to test her. So I asked her where I forgot my eyeliner. It could basically be anywhere, I told her. I was scanning her at the same time. Couldn't really feel any psychic activity at her first two guesses as they were just "guesses." Then I piped her up by saying she could do it and such things.

Then she asked me if I had recently seen a girl with blond hair, it was quite long, a bit longer than the shoulders. And I said yes, it was my x.

This is just one of many. If you can give me a scientific explanation whatsoever to the above, try me. I'll prove you wrong.

You didnt mention if you found the item ? It is perfectly plausable she does have the ability, but...there are many frauds out there who are just very good observers and can read people by tone of voice body language and asking the right questions and giving an answer the target is looking for.

Just like any other area of life, there are posers, so dont give her any tria

I am going to take a look at the video, it's so strange but this always happends to me .. I talk about somthing and I end up hearing it everywhere there after. At work somone  mentioned that video that is posted here. It's also the same with words .. I learn a new word and my family and the peope I am around all of a sudden start using that word even though they never have before. When somthing like this happends I always have to look into it more.

That's actually very common. I forget the word for it, but basically your brain tends to block out small things that it doesn't understand. You're actually hearing and seeing these things all the time, you're just not aware of it because you forget about it almost instantaneously. But once you do understand it, your brain registers these things, so it appears that suddenly everyone's talking about it, whereas really it's just you that finally gets what everyone's talking about.

They say that only about 10% of what we experience is actually stored in our memory - the rest is as if it never happened.

Sorry for the double post ahead of time. Yes this is exactly what is described in the video pretty much, the words may be used everyday, but since you do not have a understanding of the word you just do not hear it. If that is the case with hearing .. then I would say the same goes with all senses. Which makes the video very plausible .. well some parts at least.

[ Don't apologize for a double-post: just don't make one. Please "Modify" your first post to add more information next time :> --Karyuu ]

This is LOA, when you have that word or image in your thoughts you are projecting it, and that is what you will recieve. This is applicable to everything in life, emotion, health, knowledge, communication, money and everything else. The power of thought is only limited by our willingness to accept what is real and what we believe we deserve.

Most people have a very damaging way of thinking, they concentrate on all the things that are wrong in their lives, which only creates more of the same. We see this all the time and we all know people who do this, the man or woman that always seems to be in an abusive relationship, the person who always fails tests, the people who make a decent wage but are always in debt. I will use the people in debt to try and explain what I mean. The main thought these people have is 'Bills', they keep thinking 'I wish I wasnt in debt', 'why do I have so many bills', I wish I didnt owe so much money', ' why cant I make more money' you get the idea. This way of thinking only creates more debt and makes things much worse.

The LOA dosent care if you want good things or bad things, it just gives you what you want. I bet you are thinking that 'these people dont want to be in debt', but it is exactly what they are asking for. They cannot use negatives in their thought, because it only brings negatives. If they were to change the way they think about money, their situation would change. Thinking about how happy they feel when they get money, saying things like 'I am so greatfull I am recieving so much money', 'I have more money than I could ever need', 'Money making ideas come to me every day' do you see what I mean? Instead of concentrating on debt, bills and no money, they must think about wealth, income and oppertunity.

The old saying 'You get what you give' is absolutly true in every aspect of our lives, it just comes down to the individual and what they want to get. We really can have anything we want, there are no limits. If you change the way you think, you will change you life forever.

[Peacer]

She told about a special power to know where people forgot their stuff. I wanted to test her. So I asked her where I forgot my eyeliner. It could basically be anywhere, I told her. I was scanning her at the same time. Couldn't really feel any psychic activity at her first two guesses as they were just "guesses." Then I piped her up by saying she could do it and such things.

Then she asked me if I had recently seen a girl with blond hair, it was quite long, a bit longer than the shoulders. And I said yes, it was my x.

This is just one of many. If you can give me a scientific explanation whatsoever to the above, try me. I'll prove you wrong.

You didnt mention if you found the item ? It is perfectly plausable she does have the ability, but...there are many frauds out there who are just very good observers and can read people by tone of voice body language and asking the right questions and giving an answer the target is looking for.

Just like any other area of life, there are posers, so dont give her any tria

I knew she had it, and I forgot it at her place, that's why I chosed my eyeliner XD.

@Eliseth, I was scanning her and first after the second try I felt some acitivity, and it would have been quite a coincidence then as it could have been everywhere.