Resurrect, Hijack or Moan?

[drah]

Well, I just had another wishlist thread locked, shame really because it leaves me few options:

Resurrect a thread older than 120 days.
Hijack another thread where the OP only briefly mentioned the subject.
Hijack another thread that is kinda related.

I'm wanting to discuss or contribute further ideas towards something - but also in light of developments since most related threads were made... but it seems this is curtailed by prompt locking of threads and my only other options are trying to hunt for a related thread that isn't also locked (a little tricky on this particular subject) or to post where it's not entirely appropriate (a 'teleportation' thread for instance)

What should I do?? ... and I'm joking about the moaning... just want to know the preferred protocol.

Maybe if a post is regularly 'duplicated'... make it a sticky? - Or create a sticky-thread / sub-forum for "mounts,teleporting,travel & transportation" - to reduce the likelihood posts will be 'duplicated'.  A bit like the PvP/PKing area.  You could probably do the same for crafting, magic and weapons/armor seperately. -- That'd also make things easier for devs/settings teams to go through if they ever want to recap on all the suggestions relevant to a particular type/category of wish.

My point isn't really that much to do with my post there imparticular (I expected it to be locked I guess.. and the idea probably sucked), just that it's sometimes awkward to post there in general because finding a related thread that you can post on isn't as easy as it should be.

[Raleigh]

Posivitism is imperative here: rules are rules, no exceptions made.

In fact the wish list usefulness is something arguable, considering that this is not a game of the players, and most features probably were already thought/planned by Talad or one of the devs.

[Karyuu]

Drah, thread resurrection when you actually have something new and useful to say is perfectly fine. Don't worry about it, as long as you're not repeating what has already been said in that thread.

[drah]

Resurrection it is... now to find one that isn't locked...

EDIT: gotta laugh... takes more time trying to find the post I'm duplicating (except those already locked) than writing the post itself... thanks anyway Karyuu.

(and even if I was to post there.. it would make my post a duplicate (literally) which I think would be an even greater violation of the rules .. so it's probably just as well.)

[neko kyouran]

If you have nothing new to add, then there is no reason to make a duplicate, or revive a thread.  Saying the same thing over and over again, isn't going to get it in game faster.  Once something has been posted, and the devs believe it is a valid idea for the game, they will look into adding it to the game some how, when the time comes.  Else, have patience.

Also moving this thread to the forum area since it deals with forum policy.

[bilbous]

I thought there was something like a three or six month cut-off where a new thread was actually preferable to revival. Certainly everything older than a year (give or take) is locked.

This suggests 4 weeks is the cut off but perhaps pertains only to mac threads where it comes from.

Anyway a search on "old threads" returns 7 pages of hits with admonitions against reviving varying periods of thread age 4 weeks was the least I saw but there was 2 months and others. How much of a difference does a new thread have to have in order to qualify as not a duplicate? Is there a master list of topics that cannot be discussed because it has all been said already?

I am not trying to be critical of the moderating staff as it is a difficult job, I just think a little more clarity would be helpful.

[drah]

Neko,

I wasn't aware a ferrying service between the roads had already been discussed. 

Sure transport has been discussed... but in this context, since the world has changed from when older posts were made, I couldn't find anything suitable (at least not without spending more than 15 minutes looking.)

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I couldn't easily find anyone explaining how this could discourage use of the DR shortcut from getting back from BD.

I hadn't found anyone explain how to put in a tranportation system that didn't stop people from having to do at least some manual-travel on their journey.

And I knew there were conflicts against settings with teleportation so this way would fit in with the settings.

I also added justification for the general idea that I hadn't read in any of the related threads... which to me would constitute "something new".

If all those points were covered elsewhere, then okay, I had nothing new to add and I'm sorry that you had to spend the time locking my thread there. 

But if these points weren't all raised.. where do I post them? on a "teleport" thread that's kinda recent or a "transport" thread that died in 2005?

And... I was under the same impression as Bilbous regarding resurrecting really old threads... at least until Karyuu replied.

- Do some forum areas have thread-resurrection rules while others don't? 
- If so what are they and which areas do they effect?

I'm asking more for the sake of others though, 'cuz personally... I'm done with posting anything to the wishlist area.

(especially when other duplicates are responded to by the same moderator and don't get the same treatment.)

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EDIT: And Neko, there have been many times people have pointed out that a post is duplicate.  I provided a list of links to the dupes without any snidey comments, without telling you to do anything.  Your response... "Go outside, eat a cookie, and take a walk.  Come back when you are calmed down" - I'll stop there Neko, because you seem to be taking it personally.. and I didn't mean for that to happen.

My points were to highlight the disparity of modding/rules/etc and that the wishlist could be better organised so that you could avoid these unfortunate issues arising. (As they do seem commonplace)

[neko kyouran]

You create a thread, it gets locked.  You then craete a new thread, to (using your own words) moan about it.  You don't accept the answers given to you in that new thread, so you go around actively looking for other duplicates in a "well, if i got locked then I'm going to point out all these others threads that should be locked too to smite them as well." type of attitude. 

So it appears to me you are disgruntled.  I don't take things personally, I just act on what I see, and your actions were showing me that you needed a time out, so I suggested one.

You revived a thread just to post links to duplicates, further cluttering up the wishlist forums in the process.  It would have been better to just send a simple PM to the mod staff saying "hey, this thread here is a duplicate as well.  here's some links to threads it's a duplicate of....  please take care of it."  that would have come across much better than just reviving a thread, saying nothing, and posting links, leaving us to figure out what you meant.

I appologize if that was not your intent, but the way you acted, what I said is exactly how you seemed to be acting.

[Raleigh]

I'm really bothered that this is the only of the first wishlist threads that isn't locked. If there is a so harsh treatment on extending ideas from already discussed ones with a very wide definition of duplicates, why not lock wishlist threads that are simply downrightly stupid and useless like that one?

[Karyuu]

What "harsh treatment"? Duplicate threads get locked and then removed. No one's getting a slap on the hand, no one is getting a time-out. Life goes on.

[Raleigh]

      I mean, if I opened a thread suggesting a in depth brainstorm on Yliakum air transport with details on traffic rules and such alongside placement of landing zones for pterosaurs, I would expect it to be locked because there was already a thread about transportation, and even though it deals with a very specific segment of the greater idea, it's still a duplicate in the used definitions of it, and then, even if it presented really new ideas, LOCK! Because rules are rules. I meant harsh as too strict on what is and what is not a duplicate, not on the meaning of punishment. Nothing hard to change it about, adding a "New ideas that branches out from already discussed threads on wish list will not be treated as duplicates" will solve it.

      Now, on the other side, I don't see why not simply add a rule to lock silly requests like that example I pointed, as they tend to detract attention from much more serious threads on the wishlist.

[Karyuu]

      I mean, if I opened a thread suggesting a in depth brainstorm on Yliakum air transport with details on traffic rules and such alongside placement of landing zones for pterosaurs, I would expect it to be locked because there was already a thread about transportation, and even though it deals with a very specific segment of the greater idea, it's still a duplicate in the used definitions of it, and then, even if it presented really new ideas, LOCK!

Um. No I would have expected you to at least read the Wishlist Rules instead of assuming what they are. Since you have false conclusions about them, you might want to rethink your stance.

[drah]

You create a thread, it gets locked.  You then craete a new thread, to (using your own words) moan about it.  You don't accept the answers given to you in that new thread, so you go around actively looking for other duplicates in a "well, if i got locked then I'm going to point out all these others threads that should be locked too to smite them as well." type of attitude. 

Neko, I just wanted to provide an example because when you can demonstrate something, it's better than arguing without any evidence.  It helped illustrate the point I was making.  Simple as that.  I didn't need to go looking for a thread, there was an example for me to use sat right next to my thread. (Obviously, I had to search to get the duplicates for that particular post... but I certainly had no intention to go using any more than the one obvious example that was staring me in the face. - It was there, it was obvious, so I used it as an example.)

So it appears to me you are disgruntled.  I don't take things personally, I just act on what I see, and your actions were showing me that you needed a time out, so I suggested one.

Not so much disgruntled as intrigued by inconsistencies, by the differing interpretations of rules that people have shown and looking for a better solution to the current one.  As I said in my first post in this thread (did you read it fully?) this was NOT to do with my post in the wishlist forum area.  It was more to point out that things could be done to avoid this happening and to make the Wishlist area more useful and easier for end-users to post to without having missed the needle-in-a-haystack post that they're duplicating.

Forget transport, forget my post there... (I already have).  I'm talking about the wishlist system as a whole and what can be done to manage that area in a better way so that debate and discussion doesn't get stalled by threads being locked as much. (By users being able to find related posts easier.)

I'm NOT arguing the merit of my post, nor am I complaining that it was locked. 

I'm just pointing out that the current setup and rules will likely lead to many more 'duplicates' and many more locked threads and many more discussions/debate/etc being stopped because of this.

(and I'm not blaming mods for locking, rules are rules, I accept that.)

If you delete that thread (go ahead, as I have already said... it was probably a crappy idea anyway!!) ... and look at the points I'm making again. - You'll find they remain relevant whether my wishlist thread exists or not!!

I repeat... this is NOT about my thread, my ego or anything like that.  It's about the wishlist area being impractical and that things could be done to avoid end-users making mistakes by posting duplicates so much.

You revived a thread just to post links to duplicates, further cluttering up the wishlist forums in the process.

This was one of the top 3 threads already in that forum... it was, in my opinion, barely reviving it nor cluttering anything up, it was also more useful than doing what a lot of people do.... just post "duplicate"!!

It would have been better to just send a simple PM to the mod staff saying "hey, this thread here is a duplicate as well.  here's some links to threads it's a duplicate of....  please take care of it."  that would have come across much better than just reviving a thread, saying nothing, and posting links, leaving us to figure out what you meant.

But anyone wanting to discuss that issue further wouldn't have known were to look, by providing those links before the thread got closed, my action will have benefitted anyone wanting to discuss the issue further.

So while you're upset that thread #3 got bumped to thread #1 which caused some "cluttering up", some people may actually benefit from my actions.

[neko kyouran]

As I said in my first post in this thread (did you read it fully?) this was NOT to do with my post in the wishlist forum area.

Yes I did, and my first post in this thread was geared towards just that.  The moment you edited your post later on to specfically call attention to your thread you made, that is when I responded about that thread. 

So while you're upset that thread #3 got bumped to thread #1 which caused some "cluttering up", some people may actually benefit from my actions.

Locked threads get deleted after a period of approx. 24 hours.  (As outlined in the wishlist posting guidelines) Posting a list of links won't help anything as the thread and all posts in it will be removed anyways.

You are just going to have to live with our little "inconsistencies", as we are human and unless you want 1 mod to run everything who also is a robot so that it acts the same way every single time, you will have to deal with our inconsistencies.  You'll have to forgive me for being human.

[Feline Prince]

surely the mods could give the original poster a chance to highlight the points they think haven't been discussed before then the mod can point out where/if they have and lock the thread?