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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2008, 05:10:21 pm »
this thread is about settings inconsistencies not about how to balance the economy or how unbalanced it is right now, this is a long term goal of the devs and will be handled in time.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #121 on: February 10, 2008, 05:31:25 pm »
well, if you wanted to be technical, the economy is under the jurisdiction of the setting department.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #122 on: February 10, 2008, 05:49:32 pm »
A small pet peeve of mine, but I see that volcanoes are mentioned in some books.  Volcanoes and all similar phenomena are pretty much geologically impossible in Yliakum and anywhere in the Labyrinths near it.  It's all sitting above another cave 'hundreds of times bigger' than Yliakum, afterall.
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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #123 on: February 10, 2008, 09:46:32 pm »
A small pet peeve of mine, but I see that volcanoes are mentioned in some books.  Volcanoes and all similar phenomena are pretty much geologically impossible in Yliakum and anywhere in the Labyrinths near it.  It's all sitting above another cave 'hundreds of times bigger' than Yliakum, afterall.
That stalactite is just a theory of some Xacha scientists, I read somewhere ;) So volcanos might be possible. Just don't tell those scientists :)

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #124 on: February 10, 2008, 10:13:02 pm »
this thread is about settings inconsistencies not about how to balance the economy or how unbalanced it is right now, this is a long term goal of the devs and will be handled in time.

Is Roobelh wrongly paid in a 12 month calendar year and actually makes the same as other guards like Barl?  Do guards make less than a waitress?  How could the guards ever afford to become followers of Laanx, which several claim to be?  Could rubies be eaten instead of diamonds?  Why do merchants seem to earn 100 times as much as guards?  Things like this are more in the wording of the quests than the player economy.  None of the quest rewards really affect the player economy because the rewards are too small, but the non player economy should still be consistent.



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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #125 on: February 12, 2008, 10:09:31 pm »
I've got one if it hasn't been mentioned/changed (or doesn't matter) already.

In the book "Xiosia: The way of Peace", it says these two lines:

"Nature is perfect in all things."

"Yet like the clouds, ever-changing."

Do clouds even exist in Yliakum?

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2008, 10:39:18 pm »
Yes. It is not a high priority to make them right now. It would be unlikely from a scientific point of view for clouds not to exist. Weather in a bottle.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #127 on: February 15, 2008, 04:28:15 pm »
If there is water in the lakes and a heat giving crystal there would be clouds.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2008, 12:04:02 am »
If there is water in the lakes and a heat giving crystal there would be clouds.

We just explained that there are indeed clouds. That's not a settings inconsistency - we're just waiting for someone to put them in, seeing as settings can't do that.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #129 on: February 16, 2008, 04:51:37 am »
I believe they were explaining how it works in their eyes to suno's question of whether their is clouds or not, jer.  :)

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #130 on: February 23, 2008, 05:31:04 am »
The Diaboli and other races bring the memory of volcanoes from their native lands, stars too are feasible in this mode.

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2008, 01:03:57 pm »
Memories of distant lands are just fine ofcourse, I was mainly thinking of a bestiary in the library which says that certain creatures have their habitat near 'volcanoes and lava pools.'  And since this concerns creatures found in Yliakum...
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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #132 on: February 24, 2008, 06:07:44 pm »
This isn't so much an inconsistency as maybe awkward word choice, but it struck me.

The settings info on the main page mentions re: the Dermorians that:

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They are skilled farmers and food hunters. They can survive in extremely difficult terrains eating roots and plants. Due to this their everyday food has an high percentage of vegetables.

This wording strikes me as problematic, because it implies that they eat vegetables because they live in difficult terrains.   The info here about what the Dermorian city of Quintherion is like mentions that even though there's abundant game in the woods there, they still have the semi-vegetarian diet.   Obviously, there's some cultural preference at work here, not just necessity.  I'm wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to say "Due to this, they have acquired a cultural tendency to prefer a plant-based diet" or something similar, to make clear that Dermorians who live in comfortable terrains still mostly go in for carrot juice, not clacker fillet?

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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #133 on: June 15, 2008, 02:32:50 am »
I find that the game revolves too heavily around the Gods. The reason this seems a problem to me, is that we have history of the Gods (Laanx being facially scarred by Talad, for example) but no history from then to now. Why is that? It seems to me that the races were intelligent when they entered through the portals, but why wouldn't they record history? Is there some sort of censor set into place by the Octarchy, or perhaps memories of the old worlds were erased when the races walked through the portals so that they wouldn't yearn to return to their old worlds if they found Yliakum to be a rather bad place to live? It just seems really vague to me.

Also another reason why I find this a problem is that we're all pretty much pawns. When the game "starts", it mentions the Gods discovering and shaping the world, as opposed to an important bit of history that actually happened in the mortal plane. So aside from the man who created the Laanx Temple with raw magic (which I'm interested in), there are no important figureheads in Yliakum's history except for the Gods. There might be important Octarchs and the such, but what about great heroes? People who fought bravely against the beasts of the Stone Labyrinths and saved Yliakum, or something of the sort? There's no real conflict to keep people involved, since the Gods can solve all major problems such as the Eclipse, and the Octarchy can simply arrest people the second there's trouble (as long as people follow the guidelines of the Hydlaa guards being everywhere, though). This leaves me wondering what the meaning of life is in this game, since individuals aren't very defined aside from profession.

Also, this one's probably been mentioned before (though I bet all of what I've said has been mentioned before), but if two opposite races, such as Ylian and Enkidukai, can't have a child that's half-Enki and half-Ylian, why are they able to reproduce at all? That's like a human and a dog trying to reproduce...it just doesn't work. Sure, the argument might be used that this isn't real life, but that doesn't mean we can't use mechanics from real life. If you use some but not all of them, people can argue why we can't walk through walls whenever we want, or defy the laws of gravity. Perhaps the Gods did something that would make them able to have a child, but that's not explained anywhere.

There's so much that the people of Yliakum don't know, and probably never will know, which makes me, as a player, wonder if all of these things were thought up in a day or two at most. It's nice to have some mysteries, like whether or not there's a surface to Yliakum (not being able to cross the Stone Labyrinths alive to see is a pretty good reason why people wouldn't know about it), or whether or not the Azure Sun's magic could run out, or the crystal itself would stay dim forever after simply darkening one night, but there are some things people definitely need to know.
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Re: The Great inconsistency hunt is on!
« Reply #134 on: June 15, 2008, 04:41:43 am »
Also, this one's probably been mentioned before (though I bet all of what I've said has been mentioned before), but if two opposite races, such as Ylian and Enkidukai, can't have a child that's half-Enki and half-Ylian, why are they able to reproduce at all? That's like a human and a dog trying to reproduce...it just doesn't work. Sure, the argument might be used that this isn't real life, but that doesn't mean we can't use mechanics from real life. If you use some but not all of them, people can argue why we can't walk through walls whenever we want, or defy the laws of gravity. Perhaps the Gods did something that would make them able to have a child, but that's not explained anywhere.

Well, obviously the PS devs didn't have biology class... They're too lazy to make hybrid races.  :P