Money exploit: Confession Window

[Rongar Elani]

Didn't train much over the past months, and my character is technically broke, only holding the already paid entry fees for my tournament. Anyway, I hope the exploiters will get a damn harsh punishment, up to a perma-ban. Something drastic needs to be happening, in order to scare the crap outta those, who consider using a major bug for their own welfare in the future.

[Lenade Lavor]

I agree, the people who cheated shouldn't be treated so lightly. If there is no way to differentiate between those who did this intentionally though, and those who didn't, I understand why not much is being done. I am sure there are some obvious cases though, and these people should be dealt with harshly.

Not perma banned, but maybe have their characters reset? Names posted?

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

The window remains open, make your indiscretions known before the deadline.

[Lenade Lavor]

Has anyone even confessed yet?

[Sarisel]

I think the best way to treaten them is to reset their charackter, set all stats to 40 and all skills to 0 and clean there inventory.

If the npc server does not work corectly and the monsters do not attack me, I only kill monsters I could kill if the npc server work.

I hope next time the people have honour to report a bug fastly if someone can raise money or items. Do it for the economy, it is not fun to have x million of trias and buy all trainings or items you want!

Sarisel bows deeply to the dev team!
Sarisel bows deeply to the people who reported the bug and for them who give unserious trias to the game master!
Sarisel bows deeply to the people who do not use such crazy bugs!

[Fozzharn]

I wonder about 2 things

Was it really possible to use this bug without knowing it ? 
And if so ... what if my Character is innocently wiped away ?

and ... *cough*

Have maybe the Guild-Houses been payed with that money ?
And if so ... *cough* ... what ?

I really would say it should be told public how the exploit worked to make all players be sure if they're save or not.

[Lenade Lavor]

I agree. We have no access to the server so we can't exploit it, and by the time we get back on it will be fixed. I agree out of self interest though, if you suddenly realise that you did it, just by being told how it is done... well...

[Sen]

Hello,

this post will be  , sorry in advance

[...]Names posted?

What do you actually need their names for?

Anyway, I hope the exploiters will get a damn harsh punishment, up to a perma-ban

I read several saying things like that - two little points on that:
First, they didn't kill someone. Just taking the exploited money/items/skills away wouldn't be much of a punishment, but the action that will be taken should be according to what they did. (Flame war on this point is open  )
Second, when we speak about 'the exploiters' it should be only those of whom we are completely sure. No one that got accused in error or accidently, if there is that possibility. Im not sure if publishing the bug helps here, because it would most probably lead to an endless discussion, but as open game there are more reasons that speak for publishing it.
To sum up: Yes, we all are angry at the expoliters, and yes, now those who never did so are suffering from it again. But at the end we should keep cool and not beat blindly around us.

For the rest I must say that I like how the planeshift team ist handling this issue. 

Sen

[Malique]

It's so frustrating when something like this occurs. A major bug like this is found, and exploited by a few cheaters, and things go to hell.

I agree that the server being down for so long is punishment. BUT, we're not being punished by the developers, we're being punished by the cheaters. I would hazard a guess that if the players were trustworthy and not exploiting the bug, perhaps the server could still be up while the bug is fixed. But, because of a few cheaters taking advantage of the situation, it's forced Talad's hand to shut it down to prevent others from doing the same thing until it's fixed.

DEATH TO THE CHEATERS!

I also agree with one of the dev's explaining the exploit in this thread to explain how it worked exactly. Since the server won't be back up until it's fixed, and therefore no longer exploitable, it can't be any harm in telling us what actually happened. That way, as others have stated before, those who came by the exploit completely by accident or didn't realise it was an exploit have the chance to come forward. Besides, it's always nice to keep your underling players (read: bug trackers) here out of the dark on how exactly the development of PS is going, and what things have been fixed. Kind of like a development history of PS

I also would like to know if any of the guild houses have been bought using this "dirty" money. Will they be taken off the offending parties and re-auctioned? Not that I'll ever be close to being able to buy one myself LOL, exploits or not I've never had much luck in the way of earning tria (been playing almost 6 months now and still have most of my stats at 100, and no skill above 18, and that took alot of work!). But still, for the sake of others who HAVE been playing for years and have collected enough tria the RIGHT ways it's only fair any houses sold to cheaters be taken off them and auctioned again for legit players.

On a related note, do any of the dev's have at least an ETA on how much longer the server will be down? Has the offending code even been found yet? I undertsand the need to wait, but it would still be good to know at least a rough estimate on how long it might still be down for. I can't wait to get back to playing

[LigH]

Can you really securely detect intentional cheaters?

Not that I am sure I never (ab)used this exploit, and suddenly get a char deleted because there are 10 tria reported to be duplicated.

None of my chars ever owned more than 50K tria in the last months...

[Nikodemus]

I couldn't resist myself ;P

But, NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Now, old woman! You are accused of heresy on three counts. Heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action. Four counts. Do you confess?

[thazmaps]

After laying down to sleep last night and thinking that I had nothing to worry about because I am completely innocent and I would just have ride this out and wait, I relizead that a few weeks ago when I was just a newb, someone asked why I didnt have armor and weapons, as the conversation turned, it ended with the person giving me 20,000 trias.

I am worried that maybe these trias were bad trias now. can anyone maybe calm me down and say that 20,000 is nothing for a high powered player and I have nothing to worry about, cause Im panicing right now that I will be mistaken for one of the people that cheated and my character will get deleted or worse.

And if these trias were bad then I guess this is my confession, but I will state that they were given to me and I was unaware that there could be a possible bug.

I dont mean for this to start the planeshift version of the salem witch trials, but I am just worried know that I might have recieved bad trias and look guilty. But this is almost the only trias in a large sum that I have recieved since playing and I am not sure how easy it is for a high level player to earn trias.

Also I have put some points in bold, in case someone just reads one sentence of this and jumps to conclusion.

[Parallo]

I couldn't resist myself ;P

But, NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Now, old woman! You are accused of heresy on three counts. Heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action. Four counts. Do you confess?

One of the best skits ever created and oh so relevant! I love you! I'm going to go watch it again!

[Draklar]

I am worried that maybe these trias were bad trias now. can anyone maybe calm me down and say that 20,000 is nothing for a high powered player and I have nothing to worry about, cause Im panicing right now that I will be mistaken for one of the people that cheated and my character will get deleted or worse.

Yeah, I guess it's nothing for people who hold several million tria ;)

[Quq Leque]

I wonder about 2 things

Was it really possible to use this bug without knowing it ? 
And if so ... what if my Character is innocently wiped away ?

and ... *cough*

Have maybe the Guild-Houses been payed with that money ?
And if so ... *cough* ... what ?

I really would say it should be told public how the exploit worked to make all players be sure if they're save or not.

I can only say that The Warriors had on any time approximately 15 members digging and looting 24/7 to earn the money to buy our guildhouse. Not very good for the RP during that period, but far as i know not a single tria of the 7 million we paid for the house was earned by any exploit. I support the decision to enforce harsh measures to cheaters. If you need to cheat at an RPG you're a sad person.

*cough* .... you should see a doctor for all the coughing