RP'ing ethics

[kiaerulf]

Well, this is a really hot topic at the moment. But i want something clarified:
Imagine you are walking alone slowly towards Hydlaa from the platinum mine without anyone being nearby. Suddenly someone comes running up to up and says this in main and tells:

<example>

"/me sneaks up on XXX without a noise and stabs his daggers into your spine and kills you instantly while covering your mouth."

/trade XXX

/tell [sorry mate, you have just been killed and robbed. Hand me your inventory and trias and accept the challenge and let yourself get killed.]

/challenge XXX

"/me looks around and sees that this was not noticed by anyone"
"/me quickly grabs XXXs bags and trias and disappears without a trace and fast as the wind."

</example>
[edit: After that you claim that nobody could possible have noticed since noone was around and you covered your tracks by killing the only witness (read: the vitim) and dead people can't possible talk so noone would have no chance to find you]

What would you do in a situation like this?
Is this an acceptable way of RP'ing?

What do the high ups think about this? Do you like this kind of RP? Is this what you intended to happen IG?

[edit: this is not unlikely to happen in RL]

- Kiaerulf
Ulber Tamer of Elemental Light

[Shadow1490]

Well firstly this

<example>

"/me sneaks up on XXX without a noise and stabs his daggers into your spine and kills you instantly while covering your mouth."

is generally looked down upon for the lack of responses that can be given. First rule of RP I learned was to give other people a chance to respond. As for the rest of it. If the first part is invalidated then the rest is too.

[Under the moon]

* Under the moon yells "FOUL!" and tosses a yellow flag.

Sorry, but that is very out of line. Doing something like that is completely nullifying any stats, abilities (such as hearing he guy coming), or even clothing that the victim is wearing (armor, hidden or not), and making up abilities of your own (such as being able to accurately target someone's spine).

Godmode, case closed.

[neko kyouran]

I eat godmoddders for breakfast.  There can only be one of me

[Karyuu]

kiaerulf, it would seem to me that you are aware how unacceptable such a scenario is. Therefore it's a case of preaching to the choir, really. I understand you're trying to delicately avoid bringing up the EL scenario while touching on the same subject. Still, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with this thread - you know full well that no one is going to come and say, "That's a totally acceptable way to RP."

[Waoknie]

Kiaerulf .. Maybe if you could explain your point a bit, people could focus less on the sample and more on the topic.. just an idea.

[kiaerulf]

Kiaerulf .. Maybe if you could explain your point a bit, people could focus less on the sample and more on the topic.. just an idea.

Right now the example is the interesting part which i want people to take a stand on. Especially high ups.

- Kiaerulf
Ulber Tamer of Elemental Light

[Karyuu]

Based on what you know so far, kiaerulf, what are your expectations on responses?

[Earl_Listbard]

Forgive my intrusion into the thread, but, isn't this obvious? I mean... yeah.


edit in response to the post after this one: My reaction, ignore it turn and inform via tells what they did wrong, and how to rp properly.

[kiaerulf]

Based on what you know so far, kiaerulf, what are your expectations on responses?

Well, I want to hear peoples honest opinions. Is this acceptable? What can you expect of reactions if you do this? How would you react if somebody else did that to you?
Nothing more nothing less.

- Kia

[Waoknie]

Well, in that case, I would have ignored the thing or maybe stopped to laugh a bit.. but therefore it could have lead to a conversation and perhaps a much more interesting RP.. who knows.. it depends on the 'moment'.
Perhaps if the RP would have improved, in time i'd spare some tria ... but who knows..

[Tuxide]

I concur, that is godmodding, The other guy might as well write a book or something.

[kiaerulf]

I concur, that is godmodding, The other guy might as well write a book or something.

How could the victim write a book? She/He is dead. What would the assassin (or an alt of the assassin that gets deleted after writing the book) write in the book? "This guy got killed and robbed. Though luck but thats life ... survival of the fittest. Feeling sorry you didn't went here with somebody else?"?

So, what you are saying is that even though this happens in RL its not acceptable because it leaves the victim without any choice than to hand over his/hers stuff and get killed ( or he could refuse because of the game mechanics but that would leave the victim as a bad RP'er). These attacks do happen in RL where the strike comes as a lightning from a clear sky.

[Well, and people carrying heavy loads will not wear armor or the armor they wear will have cracks  so it is possible to do this. Also doing stealth attacks are also possible in RL or at least the victim might realize too late what is going on]

So i guess the conclusion is: If you RP and leaving you opponent without any options of doing anything like escaping and be able to describe the attacker to the guards you have crossed the line?

Just an aditional questions for the devs: What is the purpose of backstabbing [not implemented yet, i know] if this kind of RP will not be tolerated, 'cus that is what backstabbing is?

- Kia

[Karyuu]

kiaerulf, when backstabbing is implemented no doubt it will be done in a way that won't compromise the fun of both parties. I highly doubt you'll be able to stab anyone you want, for that is Player Killing and we do not tolerate such griefing, nor have plans for it. We're not going to touch that skill in a very long time, so everything is a guess at this point - however, it's possible it will only be allowed in designated PvP areas, or you'll have to mark your character in a sort of "auto-accept."

The problem with roleplaying this purely using text instead of supporting game mechanics, is it becomes a battle of words, and players aren't always willing to compromise. When we put features into the game, we try to make sure they are as fair as possible and leave little in the hands of the players to disagree on.

[Tuxide]

I meant the player, not the character.  There is no way that one can dictate what someone else does.  Even in real life one is given the chance to react.