This entire thread learnt me a huge portion for respect for XilliX. Last time the market was help at Plaza and players who took part send me tells complaining about lag and that another spot might be better. Several proposals where made and the gug tavern was proposed by far most often to me.
Lag is an ooc issue, but a real good one.The reason why gugrontid tavern was choosen is, that its deserted (read the desc) and no owner can throw us out, it has tables where people can lay their offerings on and has less lag. From an ic point of view: money comes from there and people are there. Anyone who would make a market ic'ly would make it near to people and where the tria is. There is no economy like in real life and tria is earned by crafters and miners. But if you think we move there to sell or fishes or beer mugs for a higher price because we are greedy ooc powerlevelers please think again. If tria would be the reason we wouldn't do this at all, we would go to the platinum mine and mine there. The idea is to bring rp to the game.
What happens then? People who did not participate in the first market come here and start a thread off complaining and bitching about an event they never wanted to participate and I get wrong reasons shoved down my throat
Thanks people for reminding me, how vommit tastes.
Every location has its pros can cons and the idea was to test out different locations.Many had suggested gugrontid for reasons like having an oven near or having tables. Is having an oven near and having a table to display your wares ooc? Believe it or not, the platinum mine was never a point in the considerations oocly, it was where are people, where is little lag and what place might deliver a good atmosphere.
Now about oocishness of tavern: I have seen markets taking place in gymns, streets and many other public places. Its really nice to see that people can held flea markets and other kind of markets on places without being critizised for beeing ooc. Sometimes rl is a beatifull place compared to this flame pit.
About other locations:
octarchial residency: agreed, icly a bad place.
And guild house: bad place for a guild independend market.
Ojaveda: was a hot competitor, but from an ic and ooc point one contra argument was: there are little people and its a long way there and hard to setup a both.
OOC: Many thanks for the change in place, i tried to get into the last market and lagged out 
IC: I just hope that Platinum won't be the only thing on sale 
I hope you like this location better. Less lag. And I think (OOC) the only item you can't buy there will be ores
But beware, some over zealous rpers might rip you into pieces for being an ooc acting tria greedy pl'er.
[Wasn't it the point of the market to make Hydlaa a more lively place? Catering to powerminers who can't be bothered to change maps just because then need to keep mining is a poor and very OOC reason to do this, but that's just me. If the hydlaa_plaza map is too laggy, why not move it to East Hydlaa? Anyway, these are just my own personal impressions, I really like the market idea and I hope it doesn't disappear after a few weeks/months. Best of luck.]
That was the point, but many players have some trouble with the plaza with lag and hardly beeing able to participate due to lag. We can't rp against lag, but don't want to exclude people with a slower machine. Settings wise the gugrontid is a wealthy place and there are many people around. ICly thats a good environment for a market. Those are the ic reasons. The ooc reasons is that there are ovens and tables. If you look at the initial post by aturon in an ooc way it seems to be ooc, but if you had been at the first market and look on the goods offered you see that the platinum mine is just used as an (maybe weak) icish reason to move outside of hydlaa.
[I refuse to participate in this market in any way. It is a shame that roleplayers care about powerminers that spend their time in Gugrontid for the sake of platinum. I am deeply disappointed that such a nice idea is used in this way.]
You also refused to the first market. Compaint notized and moved to /dev/null. Thanks for misinterpreting the intentions and wasting my time.
[What's wrong with Akkaio?]
Its far away and little people there. Besides that it has some huge advantages as it offers a great atmosphere. There are many proposed locations and we can only be on one place. This time we used gugrontid. Sorry for that.
[ I can't but agree with Dajoji and Donari here. What is the point on bringing the Market to the players? We keep complaining about how empty Hydlaa is most often and this approach seems to actually support the fact of everybody should stay at the mine and do nothing else.]
We had our first market in hydlaa and i received many complaints. Now we move elsewhere and again i receive compalints. Kudos to Xillix for taking this a long time.
[I myself never cared about the monetary profit of such meetings but about the roleplay they can bring up, also considering new players (often dedicated miners) may be forced to roleplay their purchases as neither I or other traders will allow OOC sales, thus that may help to slowly get them into roleplaying as well..]
Oh yeah. We will get rich because we can sell our foods and drinks for 1 tria more because we moved to gugrontid.
[Besides, I can't see how a tavern is a good place for a market. If I was the owner I'd probably grab a club and kick the butts of the merchants out of there.]
Read the description of that tavern. There is no owner.
[ If the market is going to happen in Gugrontid I'd use the streets and have the tavern host the cultural/entertainment events. But no wonder, you won't find me there.
If the plaza is really a problem for most people then please reconsider it and take East Hydlaa as location. That will benefit the players and the game... ]
Well, as we had in in hydlaa far more people asked me to move to gug then east hydlaa. And sorry for hurting the game because we have choosen to bring rp into pl contested theory. Oh and off course serving food and ale in tavern is ooc crap. Taverns are for cultural/entertainment events. No wonder, i don't miss you there
Why kicking off the butts? Just have a profit .. say, plus 20% on each sale?
Seriously though, that idea feels to me pretty much like having it a trading thing, for the only reason to sell items, not to roleplay. Hence, no one of my chars will be around there.
Woot, really +20%. Then I can sell my ales for 6 tria instead of 5. Sure thing, thats why we moved
[I am against the market tour idea. In fact, some have been gaining money by buying in Ojaveda and selling in Hydlaa at the market. That was a nice approach towards a real economy. Now, to constructive criticism. Why don't you use a guildhall in Hydlaa for your market? That'd reduce the lag and keep the market in Hydlaa.]
You refused to the first market, will ignore the second market and you dont like the idea of a moving market. Compaint notized and moved to /dev/null. Thanks wasting my time. Why do I get the feeling you will never stop complaining unless all markets take place in your guild house?
[I'm not against having a market in Gugrontid or any other city for that matter. It's doing it there to make it easier for the miners that I find OOC. The lag reason is valid but it does not have to exclude Hydlaa completely. East Hydlaa is less laggy and so are some other areas in North Hydlaa. Now wherever the market takes place next time, let it be in a place that makes sense IC, not only OOC. That will enhance the event a great deal. That the Octarchal residence is too small should not be the reason not to do it there. It should be because it makes little sense that an Octarch would lend his house for a commoners' market. Would you lend your house for a market? Perhaps as a favor if the organizers are your friends but would you do it if you were the city's most important person? That's a big favor to ask. In any case, hopefully we can have more events like this and more public spaces will be designed to host them.]
Think about it icly: Gugrontid is a wealthy area where many workers are near that have a loose tria in the pockets. Merchants are intrested in getting custoemrs and not reviving some plazes like the plaza. This location is more ic then the plaza if you think that a char wants to sell goods.
Then think about a plaze in the gugrontid. A street to prepare foods and drinks or a deserted unguarded tavern?
Heck, people complain that this tavern is unused and now we wanna use it and people complain we use it. WHAT?
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Gugrontid has its mine, and a smithie. After all ores and crystals should sort of have some rather special meaning to that place, no? Although my own several attempts to spice that place up with some chars and rp, which success was more than doubtful since lack of any replies, I am not aiming at that problem now. The more I mean it like even with all the miners and crafters being interestingly rped there, that place just seems to be a rocky and a bit dusty dirty working place. Selling apples there? I am tending to picture it like selling refreshment to some of the few miners, since most inhabitants should be Kran who arent very interested in apples, no?
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There is a tavern there too with an oven. But I got it and i never will try to make something for more then 2 players as i get slapped all over the forums by people who dont take part in it but think they know everything better and tell me how when and why i have to do it.
Octarchs are supposed to be a dictator ship. Looks at the power rpers, compared to those the octarchs look like some peaceloving hippies. Really, you guys complain there is to less rp going on in PS all the time. I can tell you why. Every time someone tries to do something besides training and leveling he receives nit picking critics from all sides. Sorry for trying to do something else and new, I seriously consider to stop that in future
