Where are all the Roleplayers?

[Parallo]

Okay, here it is.

Greatest rping mistakes
1) Acting ooc

There are appropriate times to wear your 'awesome looking armour and such' but you should use common sense to know when that is. Also, one should take into account the nature of their character. Is he a humble priest of Xiosa? Is he a smith just making his way in the world? Would such a man wear armour?

Anyway, off topic over.

[eldoth_terevan]

1) Acting OOC, or speaking in contracted language such as leet.
2) Emotes or statements that tell others what they think or what they do, rather than allowing for a chance to interact and roll for outcome.
3) Forcing your RP on other people when they do not wish it.
4) Thinking, reacting and interacting like yourself... rather than like your character would.

Sometimes I walk around my house with my welding mask on. Sometimes I wear my jacket indoors. Sometimes I like to don body armor just to take out the trash. These things may not be common, or appropriate, but if someone wants to go around in full armor let them. Just emote that they are all sweaty and that they stink... they might get the idea.

See? I just broke my second rule... *slaps himself with a fish*

[Parallo]

2) Godmodding is OOC as IC is acting as your character. Therefore it is covered in one.
3) That isn't good rp, it is simply good manners towards other players.
4) That is covered in one.

[Timmothy Perriwinkle]

One shouldn't assume that lack of armour means new and 'lol', et cetra. I have no armour.

Nor did I say that at any point. No but typically a 'dark knight' which we were hypothetically saying he was, would if he was to be parading around the city with his swords drawn and attacking people who told him not to.

[Caarrie]

One shouldn't assume that lack of armour means new and 'lol', et cetra. I have no armour.

Nor did I say that at any point. No but typically a 'dark knight' which we were hypothetically saying he was, would if he was to be parading around the city with his swords drawn and attacking people who told him not to.

but many people do sterotype new players as those that dont have amor equiped and have rudeness in how they rp at times.

[Mathy Stockington]

Isn't this the same as saying if a person only has a first name in game they must be an older player? Well I have been around since they did not require a last name and I have one. I do not wear armor either. All my friends protect me and look out for me so I am safe.

Never judge a book by its cover.

[If this is off topic, sorry.]

[LigH]

Move rps to the Blackflame shrine.

I hate you when you are that serious.

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But definitely: Anywhere is better than the platinum mine, to search for roleplayers.

Yesterday there was a very interesting play: A previously noob-looking scene in the tavern basement (possessed youngster pwnz all) turned into a hint of a greater plot. So lower your biasing. The best advice I know to find roleplayers is: Stay, look, and listen.

[dragnoor]

               My opinion..

To understand what motivates, "grinders, Power levellers," you have to look at the end product. Building a CHAR within PS is the same as
WoW or UO or any other Mmorpg. Levelling up etc, acquisition of wealth, is for the purpose of what? Well like irl we do the same things. For
the same reasons.
Talad says, "You cant take your chattels/wealth with you." (when you die.) Yet Ps kind as well as mankind blindly aquire wealth and position.
Its Human nature.
So the answer is that I and others like me level up & acquire wealth and glyphs and all sorts.. Because its natural to do so.

WoW the most successful game of all time, reflects this. Ultima Online gives you a glimpse into the future. The release of houses to players. Storage of Items and interior decoration.
Powerscrolls & Stats scrolls costing 10's of millions of trias to increase stats above ceiling by a small margin. Ulbernauts attacking hydlaa at random.
Grouped players hunting malbernauts or A Posse routing out a well known but disguised Thief.
                                                                                                                                                              Not GM but Player Guards within Hydlaa supporting
Percival in Policing the towns. All to come... All to add richness and diversity to the game. Someone here suggested Purist RP'ers should play MUD's / IRC etc.
I agree...
PS isnt the same as WoW or UO I know i've played both. I played UO for over 4 years. I watched it morph from purist RP to Noobishness & general disintergration
of RP. I was sad it went, I liked RP. But time waits for no man. Things change.
                                                                                                                                   XilliX,  My utmost respect for allowing us to play your creation. Yes exploits are found & abused.
Yes We are rude & offensive to one another within guildchat. Yes we do Shout & forget to use brackets. Yes the mine is overrun with us. But you should see the fun we have.
We duel because we get bored mining & pick a fight with someone equally likeminded. I've had too many ores on me & had to drop it on the floor & move/pickup/drop/move.
Hilarious !! When I come across players doing this it makes me laugh ! In fact most of the so called abuse is just horseplay. People having fun.
                                                                                                                                  Someone recently commented on how the stealth walk looked like he was constipated, And it does look
like that. And its funny & everyone at the mine was in stiches. This is real laughter not idiosyncratic IC banter.
After playing Ps for many months happily testing and bug reporting I hope no enforcement will be needed. I can tell you why as well. Because WE ARE IC all the time. Our characters
reflect our personalitys. Some are brash & rude, others more placating. Some are evil. Some think the sun shines out of their a**e. Most ask the daftest questions. Alot run around questing
or mining, Mobs bashing for pp's. But & this is key : They try to stay IC. By being THEMSELVES. Recently ive attended a number of Tourneys. Players duelling for prizemoney. Strict rules.
The crowd baying for blood. Husbands encouraging their wives to win. All of this is IC as far as im concerned.
Rp isnt dead. Its platform is. Rolling die n paper days are over. I know I go back that far. And now you dont like us Power players taking over your world. I pity you. I've moved on.
If you cant beat em join em I say. And when I did I soon realised what I had missed. Watching fellow guildsters develop & become specifically different from anyone else in the guild.
No two players are the same. We all have different ideas of what is right & wrong.
Ps wants the player to enjoy themselves. We do. With or without you Rp'ers. Why cant you do the same? Ignore us like somone suggested by placing on ignore list. Admittedly a long list.
Your in a minority. We who are intent on being stronger to fight & win tourneys or challenges are the vast majority. Its called progress. Its called RP.



Dragnoor

P.s   Yes thats why we do it...To WIN !! Is that so bad ?

[Illysia]

Firstly, why do either PLers or RPers have to let the other “take over”?  Difficult as it is to coexist, it makes no sense to basically run either out of the game as both have fun in a valid way in game. Oh, and try taking over something in RL, see how likely people are to just go with the flow and except it. Doesn’t happen that way.

RPers in fact should be more tolerant of PLers as long as they aren’t disrupting people. On the other hand, RPers aren’t required to stop role playing and just power level because everyone has to have fun the same way. RPers have genuine laugher too. And RPers can laugh even when bad things happen to their characters since they are less likely to take it personally than someone who basically treats their character as an extension of themselves.

True, PLers can have fun and will have fun without RPers, but RPers are what took PS past the crystal hunting stage. There was a time before there were things to kill. I can’t say I personally like idea of PLing but I’m willing to accept it is more fun for some. Conversely, PLers should accept that RPers RP because they enjoy it better than PLing and don’t want to not play a game because the PLers feel the time for RP has past.

[Sen]

I decided to believe that you (dragnoor) didn't make this forum account just to flame, so Im going to comment few points.
Being OOC can be fun, no question. And the move/pickup/drop/move thingy can be funny to watch aswell.
But to be honest, I doubt that you were really IC at any time except maybe a few seconds like the applauding if even then. The other points are just wrong imho, wanting to become stronger has only little to do with being IC in the game as for one example. (As a side note: We are ic because our chars are the same like we is a bit paradox  )

The ignoring is no solution. Even not at all in my opinion again. As for one example: I have difficulties ignoring you if you run with drawn weapons into me when Im e.g. at a counter in a tavern. Ok, I will get worse mood in RL and let my char step aside. Often enough Im again stabbed only seconds after by a turn of the weapon wielder or because he bumps in all corners because he has to run all the time. It is disturbing and the ignore function doesn't help - neither when three minutes later the next one comes to stab around.

But as a bad news for you: you are not taking over the world, so just waiting for this won't work. Ignoring doesn't work for the rpers so it looks like we should find a way to live with another. Not being indifferent towards other people in an multiplayer game and showing some basic respect to another would be a first step.

Unlike your opinion I believe that the majority goes the development from powergamer (*leveler) to roleplayer. I did (still in a more or less early stage of development) this and know several others who went through this process. So several of the roleplayers in the game know the fun and know what they "miss"
And from my experience is a good part of the powerlevelers not like "We are taking over your world" but rather curious when they come in contact with rp after some time. And this is a good thing for ps

Much more to say but it has to wait for tomorrow or probably said by other in the meantime

Sen

[dragnoor]

Sen : "Not being indifferent towards other people in an multiplayer game and showing some basic respect to another would be a first step."

Ditto.

And Im sorry about having weapons out in town. A note to all PL'ers. Sheath swords. I will show politeness. I didnt imply a takeover. But its the way of the world for things to change. I was a keen RP'er once too.

Dragnoor

P.s  Avid Anti - flamer

[Prolix]

I get a little bored of the complaint about weapons in hand. I get a little ticked when I am walking around without weapons and the NPC reminds me to sheath them while in town. There are lots of niggling little things that you can allow to degrade your experiences but for the most part they are irrelevant.

If I happen to be running into you at the counter in a tavern it is probably because I want to talk to the NPC and you are in the way. Maybe I just ran in from the wilds and forgot to take my weapons off because I am going right back out but maybe if I was able I would just shout my questions of the NPC from the doorway and not actually enter if it wasn't required by the game mechanics. Maybe I would not have to stand on top of you if you were not in the spot where people talking to the NPC need to stand. In a real bar I could call the server over to the other end of the bar but not here.

I guess all I am saying is that people should be flexible enough to not let the minor details get them down. The only reason my weapon being out might look like it is stuck in you is because bodies are not solid -- a design choice. Another thing, just because my sword is in its sheath does not mean my sheath is not in my hand, it is pretty hard to sit down when you have a 4 foot long thing jamming the wall or getting stuck in the chair legs.

There is plenty about the game that will not live up to expectations of realism you just need to learn to adapt to what is. By all means use the bug tracker to ask for improvements but make do for now.

[Wavan Levironk]

You can't expect 100% realism in a free game, things go slowly and it's good enough the way they're improving, I couldn't have expected anything much better.

And about roleplaying, it's up to roleplayers to help people roleplay more. Whining about old times, asking where roleplayers are... Potential roleplayers are everywhere, just find them, train them and include them in events. Make sure there's always a roleplay running somewhere instead of waiting for someone to make one, and even the most stupid one can make people feel good and free to roleplay.

Some just don't roleplay because they think they're not good enough and because of the lack of vocabulary (I have to admit I'm one of those people) but everytime I see a nice roleplay, it's hard to join it, people just do it to develop their characters and rarely make open roleplays.

Some people know that, if they have a good event in mind they can tell me to join and I will.

I remember I once started an event about my character (Wavan) getting poisoned and switching personalities (he thought he was Harnquist... Brado... and people had to convince him he wasn't) it was amazing the number of people who just said "he's an idiot" and left it that way. However, some people were interested in joining it and it ended in a good way. We just have to keep trying and not whine or give up.

[Under the moon]

One of my characters helped save the life of a random dwarf yesterday in the tavern. My little farmer patched him up like he would one of his livestock that was attacked by beasts.

[Illysia]

And about roleplaying, it's up to roleplayers to help people roleplay more. Whining about old times, asking where roleplayers are... Potential roleplayers are everywhere, just find them, train them and include them in events. Make sure there's always a roleplay running somewhere instead of waiting for someone to make one, and even the most stupid one can make people feel good and free to roleplay.

Some just don't roleplay because they think they're not good enough and because of the lack of vocabulary (I have to admit I'm one of those people) but everytime I see a nice roleplay, it's hard to join it, people just do it to develop their characters and rarely make open roleplays.

Ummm.... open RPs were more common in the past and so were people that helped others learn. That's kinda why RPers "whine" about the old times.  And you assume that most people you pass are just waiting and willing to learn or participate in RPs. Most of the time, when you have open RPs, people stand around silent. I've tried making RPs, they always fizzle out due to low interest unless it is someone who regularly RPed with me in the past.