enki etiquette

[LigH]

Apropos ... book (+) Enkidukai => http://pswiki.xordan.com (currently down) has an own Enki language "Enkien". Study this (when available again) and you may get a better feeling of the Enki character through the language examples...

[Mordraugion]

ahh the Kzinti thats more my feeling for Enkidukai and I have been playing one for 3-4 years now, one of my problems with being called cat like is that everyone seems to assume domestic tabby, instead of one of the bigger cats which cant actually purr and only meow when kits.

The other problem is of course we're playing in a fantasy world use some imagination people, instead of just taking RL stuff and dumping it in Yliakum

As for the argument that because it looks like a rock then it is a rock, thats poppycock, Ynnwn and Diaboli look like devils but that doesnt mean they are demonic.

Re: The Enkidukai Language dont forget that it was entirely Player developed and not official

[verden]

Ynnwn and Diaboli look like devils but that doesnt mean they are demonic.

Devils do not exist. So we have no basis for what they would behave like or what their culture would be like.

The other problem is of course we're playing in a fantasy world use some imagination people, instead of just taking RL stuff and dumping it in Yliakum

The developers have already done this; rocks, trees, cities, crafting, money, clothing, armour, taverns, roads, et cetera. All of these are RL things that exist in Yliakum. So in this case, if it looks like a rock, it IS a rock.

one of my problems with being called cat like is that everyone seems to assume domestic tabby, instead of one of the bigger cats

Acting like a larger cat or a smaller cat makes no difference here. Bigger cats do purr, but not for the same reasons or at the same times as smaller cats.

So if you bring it in from RL then you are being imaginative. But if you do not agree, then the other party is "lacking imagination."

The  "we are playing in a fantasy world" counts towards everyone, including GMs. There is no reason that Enkidukai could not display a range of behaviour encompassing the spectrum from smaller to larger feline species, and including behaviour that is not like anything at all that one would see from RL cats.

[LigH]

No.

If it looks like a rock, it can be a mushroom. Or a Kran.

I am not really sure what your point is, verden... There are people who criticize that PlaneShift is not realistic enough. Compared to physics, biology, chemistry etc. of the earth, of course. You are now exactly the opposite, you scold the PlaneShift settings for being too unrealistic, comparing artifical races in this fantasy world with existing species of the earth. You both seem to miss that the "Settings" are the common level, when you decide to talk about details. And because the settings define Enkidukai as "feline-like looking, but human-like acting species", it is a fact in Yliakum.

[Mordraugion]

Bipedal sentient intelligent cats dont exist either so we have no idea what they will behave like nor what their culture would be

In this case if it looks like a rock it could be a Kran.

The bigger cats cannot purr due to an elastic hyoid bone

Actually GMs in game have no IC basis and are not part of the fantasy and I'm not entirely sure why you brought it up or am I not allowed an opinion because I'm also a GM?

[neko kyouran]

The way I personally look at things:  If I wanted to play a cat, I'd go play furcadia.  If I wanted to play a proud hunter race, I'd play PS.

Each game has races that have similar looking models, that being feline looking humanoids, but both are quite different due to the setting of the world they reside in.

[Edig]

One may wish to go to the Library in Hydlaa to read up on the different races and read more about the interactions of the different races.  There are some really good books on the subject.  There are also inferences that the Enkidukai not have always been treated as equals.  This could be valuable information in  RPing of a race that 'looks' like a feline race.

The rock theory is great if everyone recognizes the rock as a rock, but what if someone walks up and calls it a rose?  To them it may be a rose and not a rock. 

Try rping the Crazed Enkidukai the best way you can, and if there is something you do that is so over the top, I'm sure people will let you know in ooc brackets.  Just adjust your character accordingly if you want, or not as you want.  Worst case scenario is that no one will rp with you, best case is that you will blend in to the scenery like everyone else. 

The purpose of a game, rp or not, is to have fun (but not at the expense of others), so, go have fun with your character!

[verden]

Big cats can purr when breathing out. It is not in the same manner as domestic cats. I was merely defending those that wish to have fun playing Enkidukai. A rock is not a Kran, it is a rock. It can be food for a Kran, of course. We have rocks in game and the characters do not call them trees, they call them rocks. They are the same as rocks IRL. Any species is going to have those that do not follow the norm. If he wants to play a crazy cat, let him. Sorry, I guess I am just not imaginative enough to play with all of you.

[Mathy Stockington]

Sorry, I guess I am just not imaginative enough to play with all of you.

I used to think this way also verden. Imagination comes from all of us. Soon enough you will be wondering what you worried about because role play will be easy. Do not give up. I can tell you it is worth it.

[Edig]

I was merely defending those that wish to have fun playing Enkidukai. ... They are the same as rocks IRL. ... If he wants to play a crazy cat, let him. ... Sorry, I guess I am just not imaginative enough to play with all of you.

And those of us who actually play the Character of Enkidukai thank you verden!

Is the game centered around RL or is RL centerened around the game...  Only point here is there is an opportunity to go beyond the "social" rl norm.  When you boil it all down in the end however, It's all about fun as far as I know it, but if we wish to really pick apart the point, then perhaps asking one of the settings people what the deal with the 'humanoid feline looking' people is might be a good way to get more information. (I'm assuming the game people worded it that way for a reason.  They could have put feline first, but instead chose to put humanoid.  Maybe a clue? There are after all people IRL who have a disease that makes their faces look like lions.  Are they really lions? http://www.chinapost.com.tw/print/148479.htm)

Exactly!  Let him have fun!!!  That's the point after all, but please don't get down on yourself.  We have too many cross-bearers here on the forums and in the game. No one is getting upset with you that I can see so there is no need to self-denigrate.

"I used to think 'THAT' way also verden" until a dear friend of mine reminded me that we are only here to have fun.  That fun should not be at the expense of another player's fun, but it should be fun none-the-less.  No Worries man. 

[verden]

Let the people who want to play as cats play as cats. They are not hurting anyone. Sorry for the cross-bearing final comment, I was actually coming back to change that as it was not a fair comment to make. The point is the game should be fun for people. If it is not fun, people leave. Every race has misfits. The Enkidukai distinguish PS from other games, they are special. They are wonderful actually, and very original. It matters not if one knocks every statement I make, newcomers to this game are going to apply catlike behaviour to them. I have nothing to do with this, it is how they are perceived, it is because people love cats, and because it is fun to do so. I dislike the lawyer-like approach to all aspects of roleplay in PS. It is tedious and drives players away. Let people have fun with the game, even if they do not "fit the settings" 100% of the time.

[Mathy Stockington]

I totally agree with you verden. It is a game and it should be fun for each person to play in their own way as long as no rules get broken.

[Edig]

Let the people who want to play as cats play as cats. They are not hurting anyone. Sorry for the cross-bearing final comment, I was actually coming back to change that as it was not a fair comment to make. The point is the game should be fun for people. If it is not fun, people leave. Every race has misfits. The Enkidukai distinguish PS from other games, they are special. They are wonderful actually, and very original. It matters not if one knocks every statement I make, newcomers to this game are going to apply catlike behaviour to them. I have nothing to do with this, it is how they are perceived, it is because people love cats, and because it is fun to do so. I dislike the lawyer-like approach to all aspects of roleplay in PS. It is tedious and drives players away. Let people have fun with the game, even if they do not "fit the settings" 100% of the time.

 

* Edig looks at verden, then looks at his own posts, then looks at verden, then remembers something in the tutorial about agreeing to play the game "by the rules" and to fit in with the history and setting of the game, but shrugs and scampers off not caring anymore.

Fun is fun and this isn't anymore.  Your taking it waaaay too seriously man.  Personally i don't care how they play it.  I simply avoid some people in game because of how they act.  It's not a problem for me to adjust that way.  I would hope that people can be respected both ways, but...  well...  I guess that too is a stretch and a part of that double standard thing.

* Edig shrugs again, then leaves for better clacker fields

[khoridor]

I'd guess everyone tries to play his race according to the settings, but since they are so few guidelines, people will always clash about trivial things like purr/not purr while others simply won't care. Besides, not everything can be preset (physiology, psychology, sociology, customs... the Book of Infinite Pages).

To help, I'd like a little info window reminding me IG what my race is all about, something like the little text at character creation.

Actors will also have to add adverbs to their emotes sometimes, so that others have a chance to catch if an action is supposed to be common, rude, slightly mad... How do I know if this smiling Enki is happy to see me or actually showing his teeth to warn me to keep my distances? A little added word to show the intent of an action cannot harm.

If one day we have race-related emotes, that would solve some of the issues here: for enkis, /purr and /roar for example.

One more thing about RL influence on the settings: when basing choices on RL small cats / big cats for instance, one tends to forget the 3rd choice, that is non-RL feline bipeds that can be completely different; they wouldn't bark, since we, real world players, would get confused, but they can have their own sounds, even making use of new verbs. Yes, that's right, Enki don't purr, they schrar and frit. ... or maybe they purr as well?

[Mordraugion]

All I'm saying is use some imagination -since purring seems to have been chosen as the theme- purr if you like, but just try and not follow the obvious path Real life cats purr, enkis look cat-like, therefore Enkis purr what follows is RL cats sleep 16-18 hours a day, enkis look like cats, therefore I cant finish this roleplay I have to go sleep

ps.I dont stop playing with people just because I dont agree with the way they play