Guildhouse Auction

[Vannaka]

So, somewhat on topic again.... can we have the auction results posted? which houses went to which guilds and for how much and such?

[khoridor]

If an impersonated NPC comes to an auction and bids, that gives more flexibility to the reserved price.
The players know the house won't be sold for too low, since the NPC can outbid them. Yet it may make the event more... eventful.

[Vonor]

I don't know where to start, or even how to start without sounding all defensive.

Was all this planned as an event? Yes, it was.
Did we fail? Not completely.
Do we have to learn from our mistakes? For sure!
Will we? For sure!
Do we need more interiors to chose from? Yes, but the art team could need more people, so go and apply
I could probable go through all the questions that arose from this flood of posts, but I think you can answer most of them yourself. Next time we know better and try to make it better.

I can tell you, that we lacked the manpower this weekend (understandable that close to christmas, wasn't expected, though). And I think Bovek and the GMs and Devs that helped him earn a lot of respect for doing it almost alone.

It's not an easy task to do and I honestly don't want to be in Boveks skin right now with all you people complaining!
I think we tried our best with what we had and Bovek surely has my deepest respect for all the time and work he has put into that.


@Vannaka: I'm sure the results will come, give us a little break please
@ligh: Please send me a a PM or catch me on irc regarding todas impersonation. It was me who did it and I'd like to hear your opinion on what was wrong and how to do it better next time. Thanks.
@zwenze: put some snow in a box and mail it to me! I wantz white xmas

Vonor

[rakshak]

A suggestion, on-topic:

There were two designs on offer and we came to know of this only after we won the auction. We had a split minute to decide. From next time, can you please at least post screenshots of alternative designs beforehand?

[LigH]

@ Zwenze:

Yes, it is a game. As realistic as some people want it to be - it is still a game.

Why do I play a game? ... Because life is serious enough. In a game I want to be able to enjoy my life easier than in my real life, I want to have fun.

If "mining all day long" is fun for you, do that. Be happy. But it is not my choice. This time, houses were rewards for those who spend most time in mining. I seriously hope next time they are rewards for people who do something else with the most efforts... may it be a "social project of the government".

At least I can't accuse you, Zwenze, that you don't know what roleplaying means, that you don't know what people play in this game. I know that would be wrong.

[zanzibar]

I dont wish to tread on anyones toes but perhaps the GM chosen to run the auctions was the wrong GM. 

Excuse me?  

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Sorenew says: please remain standing sir :)

Talad used emoticons in the first guild house auction too though.  Maybe players are more strict than the devs about roleplay, and we need to learn to relax more?

[Cigile]

Non official Auction results :


As I remember it was :

- 1st : Hydlaa north terrace  -> Dragnoor, Nexus of Devotion (10 Millions),
- 2nd: Hydlaa east terrace    -> Birot, Wayward Kingdom       (10.1 Millions),
- 3rd: Ojaveda                    -> Tuxide's alliance                   (8 Millions),
- 4th: Gugrontid                 ->   Bloodstone Brethen            (12 Millions),
- 5th: Winch                      -> Noone,
- 6th: Gugrontid                 -> Noone,
- 7th: Ojaveda                   -> Noone,
- 8th: Winch                     -> Noone,
- 9th: Hydlaa east terrasse  -> Mouli, Pax Amor                  (10 Millions),
-10th:Hydlaa north terrace  -> Noone

[Arerano]

As I remember it was :

- 1st : Hydlaa north terrace  -> Dragnoor, Nexus of Devotion (10 Millions),
- 2nd: Hydlaa east terrace    -> Birot, Wayward Kingdom       (10.1 Millions),
- 3rd: Ojaveda                    -> Tuxide's alliance                   (8 Millions),
- 4th: Gugrontid                 ->   Bloodstone Brethen            (12 Millions),
- 5th: Winch                      -> Noone,
- 6th: Gugrontid                 -> Noone,
- 7th: Ojaveda                   -> Noone,
- 8th: Winch                     -> Noone,
- 9th: Hydlaa east terrasse  -> Mouli, Pax Amor                  (10 Millions),
-10th:Hydlaa north terrace  -> Noone

- 2nd: Hydlaa east terrace    -> Birot, Wayward Kingdom       (10.1 Millions),
this one went for 10.5 Millions (only one bidder though), some other house (also one bidder) went for X.1 Millions.


@zorbels: Yes, of course there are other ways to earn an income. Lets take Ileresa and Yadili as an example who sell apples to hungry crafters/miners/citizen. One thing is they never seem to get hungry and even 1 Tria seems to be too great a loss. Grai sells Kikiri filtes and Kikiris and Arerano (for example) made that map recently (which took plenty hours to make - time during which I could have MINED a little fortune). Maps, however, do NOT sell for several thousand tria. So saying "you don't have to be a miner but you can do something else instead" isn't helpful, because to buy a house you (currently) MUST mine.

@Bovek: Don't get me wrong, it's nothing personal at all! You (and other GMs helping on that event) DID spend a lot of time! (easily more than 10 hours free - non-paid pre-christmas-time).

@Vonor: Thanks for respoding to this thread which mainly consists of "damn angry players" (me ) and some who try to calm them down and it sure took a great amount of courage to reply at all. Concerning "Toda", I don't think you did anything wrong it just didn't help either.

[Mythryndel]

@Arerano... I would love to buy some maps... but nobody ever seems to be selling them when I am around. I think that a LOT of things would be more marketable with a merchant system available to players (just maybe not apples). You may respond that this is OOC or reduces RP or something... but wouldn't it be nice for you to be able to make some trias from your non-mining profession? We currently have to deal with the fact that players are not on at the same times, and so we cannot always have transactions face-to-face. But rest assured, I do understand your frustration on this point.

Congrats to the lucky winners, and I hope not too many avoided the auctions because of this thread. Our guild was represented at all of the auctions, but we didn't have enough trias to bid. Thank you to the PS staff, and I hope that things continue to get better into the new year. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate this time of year).

[Hrothbert]

I want to echo the thanks of Arerano and Mythryndel, The GM and the DEV put alot of time and effort into the game as a whole and to take the break that they did to give the guilds houses as requested on these forums put some other items on the back burner for a month or so.

Again thanks and as Vonor said Please do learn from this experience, all of us.

[Zwenze]

@ Zwenze:

Yes, it is a game. As realistic as some people want it to be - it is still a game.

Why do I play a game? ... Because life is serious enough. In a game I want to be able to enjoy my life easier than in my real life, I want to have fun.

If "mining all day long" is fun for you, do that. Be happy. But it is not my choice. This time, houses were rewards for those who spend most time in mining. I seriously hope next time they are rewards for people who do something else with the most efforts... may it be a "social project of the government".

Let me guess, the gainer if that social project shall be you? 

@ Zwenze:
At least I can't accuse you, Zwenze, that you don't know what roleplaying means, that you don't know what people play in this game. I know that would be wrong.

Sure, you are the best roleplayers and because of that you deserve another guild house   
Roleplayers have a few times to often tried to govern me, to limit me and to tell me what maps I am allowed to enter and what not. Have told me where I am allowed to make a market and to what rules. And told me what people I am allowed to play with and what not. I went deaf on that ear.

If you are unhappy with the fact that mining alone is boring, that the economy in hydlaa isn't taking off and so on, post ideas how to improve the game. How to make it fun to gain tria. Moaning and frustrating devs and gms will bring us no where.

[Orgonwukh]

Was all this planned as an event? Yes, it was.
Did we fail? Not completely.
Do we have to learn from our mistakes? For sure!
Will we? For sure!

Wow! Thank you for telling this. I (and I think most of those who complained here) had the feeling that the GMs think all was 100% correct and there is nothing to complain about. This gives me some hope back. Respect!

The complains have been heard. Some proposals have been made. I hope and expect that some will be discussed in the GM team. I also agree with UtM, we need actions. However it is not only the GM team, but us players (yes you!) who are able to act. So if you want to help to encourage rolplay, you might want to have a look at this:
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=25642.msg395269#msg395269