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Xillix Queen of Fools

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 12:27:33 am »
Trying to nip the festering misnaming in the bud.

In time this and other landmarks will be explained in more detail.

It is not a volcanic crater.

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 01:58:58 am »
People can still call it a volcano even if it isn't one.  It only makes sense.
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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 03:53:23 am »
maybe is a meteor crater.... althou is kinda impossible... unless is a magical meteor!  ;D
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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 04:26:49 am »
I think by decree (settings-modding) it is a known landmark, its name is Shindrok's Crater. No one seems to know why though. . .

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 05:07:09 am »
so I typed out a scathing reply but then decided against it.
just have to ask though... when you guys built that map, did you have any idea what a crater looks like?

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 05:32:24 am »
Why does this even matter?
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 05:40:47 am »
I think the crater is the hole where Talad scooped up the material to slam on poor Gugrontid when he was providing the Kran with a homeland.

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 06:14:05 am »
I think is a little far to be that.....
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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 11:42:55 am »
If there are known volcanoes, our characters might refer to Shindrok's crater as a "volcano" for the same reason people in the real world refer to a spider as an "insect" or a slow-worm as a "snake". And the reason does not need to be ignorance, but only different definitions. (Remember, that if definitions of logic conjunctions are applied strictly, a correct answer to "would you like coffee or tea?" would be "yes".) So our characters might very well just define a volcano by the shape of the hill and not by its geological background - as well as real people might do, if presented a similar hill.

Taking further into account, that our IC-language is only an approximation of the In-Game-Common (there is a race, we call "Diaboli" though they are not Diaboli, by the way), ...

Officially declaring it "no volcano" kind of spoils the fun, you could have with the language barrier between non-specialist and specialists:
"This book says, I need to look for a crater between X and Y. But there is none." - "Hmm, let me see. Ah, he is talking about the volcano." - "Why doesn't he say that right away?" - "Because this actually is no volcano" - "Ha, 'no volcano', stupid scientists always sitting in their libraries telling me, I cannot tell a volcano, when I see one."

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 03:22:34 pm »
maybe a sign post would be nice, near the crater to know the name and not be confuse in any moment :)
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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 03:25:25 pm »
I imagine at some point you'll want to know what your characters know about the world, what they are raised learning, etc.

This is one of those things.

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 05:41:55 pm »
If it was a volcano that would tend to require that the lower levels be full of magma. It is fairly close to the rim/central shaft and likely has much empty space beneath it. Personally I do not expect to see any volcanoes in Yliakum proper given what has been published in the settings. Their could possibly be some lava tubes where the stalactite is fixed to the headrock but I would suspect they would more likely flow on the outside not the interior..

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2009, 06:45:49 pm »
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Our characters don't have experience with meteors either, but there's a glyph named meteor.

I meant the idea volcano, not the symbol volcano.

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2009, 07:46:52 pm »
I always called it the cratered hill, given the fact that it could not be a volcano (see Prolix's post and look at a few side views of Yliakum and then some profiles of actual volcanoes for ref).

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crater n. A bowl-shaped depression at the mouth of a volcano or geyser. A bowl-shaped depression in a surface made by an explosion or the impact of.


By that definition, we have four options:

1: volcano
2: geyser
3: explosion
4: impact

For 1, it is not a volcano, as lava does not exist below it. Kadiakos does.
For 2, it is not a geyser, as they are generally not that big, nor does is have any geothermal activity below it (again, Kadiakos)
For 3, a likely candidate for the formation. The cause of the explosion would be in question.
For 4, not likely. If you look around the other maps, and indeed Gugrontid itself, things falling from the Dome do not leave craters, not having the speed or energy behind them to both make a crater and vanish themselves. For those nitpickers out there, something could have perhaps hit the hill (in modern times, this could only be accomplished by a bomb or missile of substantial power), but the impact itself would not cause the depression, bringing the actual cause back to an explosion.

We also have a 5th option that people could have simply dug the top of the hill out a long time ago for unknown reasons, which is very likely as well. It could have been digging for some treasure, a vein of some rich metal, or even a dug out fortification.

A 6th option is erosion by water coming from the dome. I don't know how that would work out in practice, or why the water would not be still falling...

Food for thought.

More food for thought: People in olden times did not have a term for volcanoes until one started smoking and spitting out molten rock. In PS I would assume that most people would also equate a 'volcano' with a hill or mountain that spews smoke, magma, and rock, not a hill with a hole in it. However, you may continue to play ignorant characters if you wish, but make sure the rest of your character's knowledge is also as ignorant, or you will not be playing very consistently. ;)

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Re: Not a volcano!
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2009, 08:52:46 pm »
I would say that the center of the crater-mountain was once comprised of loose, porous rock that collapsed into the levels below through subsidence. That would be the seventh, and most likely option.