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verden

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2010, 12:00:49 am »
Wasted effort? Its all technically "wasted" effort. I have no expectations. What could I get from this game anyway? Its a game on the internet. It could disappear and it would be like it was never here. Whatever I take away from PlaneShift is only what I can carry with me in IRL. Thats enough. Lets not even mention database wipes. If they cannot come back and put time in like the rest of us, then forget them. All that being said, I am finding the current version to be ... jumpy... but very playable. The only blame I place on lack of RP in game is the loss of the truly excellent fire in the Kada-El. That little nook engendered more roleplay on its own than any players on the system. Its just not the same with the new Kada-El cafeteria down there. And I still can't figure out what the hell the cook is doing on the second floor. Really, the system has gone through many improvements in the last couple of years, give it some time and lets see what happens over the next year.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 12:08:20 am by verden »

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2010, 12:12:57 am »
@Rigwyn: I dunno, maybe mechanics did cause the shift away from conversation RPs. When there were less things implemented you only had conversations to go with.  ;D I really don't know what could have caused it but I wish I did as I could probably figure out what to do about it if I did. ;)

I was one of the few that learned about rp and changed.
Trust me, this is one of the things that keeps me struggling with the matter. I appreciate the change you made very much.  :D

Action RP isn't bad it's just that it's rarely thought out enough, kinda like most newbie baddie RPs. The only way to half way win people over on the conversation RP is by doing it and dragging people in. There isn't much else I can do, but having oldbie character would help in that there would be enough well developed characters around to be interesting. Like for intance having someone to bicker with on a constant basis and get in to good arguments with.  :P I can kinda do it if I have Zandral and Illysia argue but 1. I run out of things to argue about, 2. it's not fun only RPing with myself.  :P


@Verden: The fire is still as effective as it ever was and trust me, the lack of RP is way bigger than a little fire. Most of the time, what RP there is in the tavern is down there. And Jomed has always been up there. ;D

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2010, 12:36:26 am »
Yeah, Illysia. You missed my points again. Nevermind.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 12:38:57 am by verden »

Sarras Volcae

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2010, 01:28:29 am »
Nothing hinges on your believing it, it's fact Sarras. As for the adrenaline rush, if you say so... I do roleplay, but you probably aren't in game enough to see that, why don't you try RPing instead of whining about this thread. ;)

it's not a fact. quit being such a tool. from where did you get that "fact"? from scientists? how good was their experiment? did you get it from some statistics? pfft. and i ain't trolling. i was simply offended by what illysia said.

up until today i couldn't get online because my internet died every five seconds.

also, stop with the giggly emotes. all i'm getting is you're being a pretentious oldbie. the "golden age" is never really golden. you only remember the good parts and forget the bad. if the absent oldbies had commitment, they would still be here. but they're not, are they? it's not just because they don't want to waste time; it's because they lack commitment. btw, just playing this game is a huge waste of time. the only powerful characters are the players who can spend more than 3 hours per day on this game. that's very unproductive.

i think you don't know what action is. it's not just fighting all the time. surprisingly, there's a plot. yes, noobs come up with terrible action roleplays. that doesn't mean all action is bad, however. you see in black and white. i respect that your only interest is drama and chit chat, but keep it to yourself. you don't need to dictate how others roleplay. all you need to do is roleplay.

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2010, 01:49:42 am »
@Sarras
1. You can't tell people what to do while telling people not to tell people what to do. It makes you a hypocrite and that's pretentious. ;) Not to mention name calling where there had been none makes you a trouble maker and a jerk... just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

2. I'd find you articles on the effects of stress on the body but you'd likely call the scientists and doctors pretentious people who have no idea what the facts are.

3. You're right, you are not a troll. Trolls usually know that they're wrong and are being pains but do it purposefully, not out of ignorance. ;D

4. I shall continue to use smileys as they are not for you anyway, if you don't like them go be a pain in someone else's thread.  :whistling: :-*

5. If oldbies completely lacked commitment, they wouldn't bother to comment on the state of the community. They still feel enough attachment to try to be helpful (whether they succeed or not) to try and provide guidance, they just aren't going to go in game and put in work if people like you are going to come in and be pains and make an already difficult task even harder.  :thumbdown:

6. If playing the game is a waste, why are you playing it? ::|

7. I think you as usual were too lazy to read a post bigger than the back of a matchbox and missed the fact that I acknowledged the plots behind action. Try reading more of the thread before lecturing someone dear. ;) It's only effective if you sound like you know what you are talking about.

8. I'll stop "dictating how others roleplay" when you stop trying to take away my right to free speech and converse with others on how to respond to the changes in RP in game. If you wish to join the discussion, feel free. In the meantime the adults are talking. ;)


@Verden: Yeah I probably did miss your point, but if the point you where making is that there isn't some grand problem then I still would disagree.

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2010, 01:54:16 am »
I tried it out because it was supposed to be a medieval rpg that supported 6 ways of magic, fighting mechanics, and it let you customize your own character. If it was just walk around and chit chat with others in 3d then I would never have bothered trying it.  I was one of the few that learned about rp and changed.

m not saying trash the game mechanics and go back to crystal hunting .. but perhaps someone who was around during that generation might have better insight as to what attracted them to the game, how they learned about it, and how long for the community to grow.

Hmm… what the past was like? If only there was some place that kept a record of all the old role plays and things so we could find out. Oh right, the forums go back at least a good half decade. ;) And for the record, PS promised the same things way back when, I didn't even realize PS was still very much in development and had never RPed in my life... Honestly I just wanted to kill things and make an awesome cat person.

Out of curiosity I looked back at what seemed popular back in the “golden age” (*an ancient crystal hunter character rolls over in their digital grave*) just to see what, if anything, has changed and why.

In no particular order, these are the ones that stand out to me:

Guild wars, Tournaments, Weddings, HAGS (Hide and go seek), Races/Scavenger hunts/ guild quests, Player run stores/Markets, and of course the odd murder plot and purely character based story line.

Guild Wars
Maybe I’m just out of the loop but I can’t recall the last real guild war I’ve seen. Back in my day we had to walk up hill in the snow both ways it seemed like every few months some guild would cross some other guild and all hell would break loose… Even if your character wasn’t involved it at least gave folks something to talk about and would often IC polarize various groups. Also it is important to note that the warring guilds had a healthy respect for each other OOC, something important for a well played out RP guild war scenario.

Example: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=26159.0

What Killed It?

I honestly don’t know why these seem to have fallen out of favor especially with “everyone” seeming to want action based RP, can’t get much more action than a war.

Tournaments

These seem to still be around in various incarnations. I can’t say first hand how they compare to ones of the past but even in the “old” days it was a bit hit or miss depending on who was running the event.

What Killed It?
Nothing at all, still alive and kicking.

Weddings
People’s characters do still get hitched, right? I don’t see these turned into events much anymore… but whatever, one less gift to buy.

Example: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=23705.0

What Killed It?
Maybe it has something to do with the divorce rate in Yliakum rising. :P Either way, it was often the well established RPers that turned their character’s wedding into events and if nothing else was a reason to party. Personally I can take or leave this kind of RP but, still interesting to note that it seems to have fallen out of favor with most current players.

HAGS!
Say what you will about HAGS being OOC, IC, whatever… I’ll be the first to admit that 90% of the conversations during a game were done in group and OOC. So if you’re trying to bolster RP why bring up HAGS?! Plain and simple it was a community building exercise. If you played HAGS with someone and they seemed like an okay person, odds are you’d RP with their character if you bumped into them at Kada’s.

Example: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=23429.0

What Killed It?
Long story short: Chat bubbles.

Races, Scavenger Hunts, and Guild Quests

I guess the occasional race still pops up from time to time, not sure about scavenger hunts but I can imagine they’re still out there somewhere but, whatever happened to guilds that created their own quests? Complete with rewards? As I recall there was even a certain Xillix character that had a guild that essentially created their own quest as the way to gaining acceptance into their organization.

Example: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=23727.0

What Killed It?
No idea, maybe you newbs are all just lazy (kidding). Though, I find it more likely that with the abundance of quests in game… people just don’t see the need anymore. Also, it may be difficult to motivate people like before with the prevalence of 300q weapons floating around. Back then a silverweave as a prize offered pretty strong incentive.

Player Run Stores/Markets
I still see these from time to time, as long as people want items I imagine they’ll exist. However, often they just deal in crafted weapons which is rather… boring. Back when looted weapons were the only weapons, there was a pretty amazing variety out there and a dozen merchants could have largely different stocks of goods. Also, most characters seemed to gravitate towards certain magic weapons, collecting rare “Peace” weapons or the like.

What Killed It?
Certainly not dead but, personally I find the variety less then exciting.

Random Other Things:


Harnquist’s as a Hangout

Everyone who was anyone used to be able to be found at Harnquist’s. New players would filter in looking for help and old players would essentially just hangout for some conversation. I can recall times when you’d have a good 8 or 10 people just conversing about things and various goings on in Yliakum. Essentially it was one of the places you could get the “news” about RPs and often get involved in them yourself. Ironically, while many people seem to look back on this now as a good time I can still recall some RPers complaining that no one would hang around Harn’s because of all the acrid smoke.

What Killed It?

Crafting. When the ore zombies moved in, the RPers moved out. Personally I can’t blame the people who are training crafting too much, with the system it’s darn hard to RP and not wreck whatever it is you’re trying to create but, for better or worse, things changed when crafting was introduced.

Random Dueling Parties

What better way to brush up on your fighting skills than get in one giant group and take turns smacking each other senseless? If I recall right, the addition of choosing whether to kill your opponent or not was introduced to make practicing dueling easier.  Yet I rarely see anyone grouping up and doing this now of days. For such a self proclaimed action oriented group of players… I find it odd this has fallen so far out of favor.

What Killed It?
Magic? No, this honestly started to fade before that system was overpowered. Change in dueling mechanics? Maybe a bit but, I adapted so it would make sense that any newer players wouldn’t have any problems. I actually can’t come up with one good reason why this doesn’t take place anymore, perhaps some newer players can enlighten me on why they don’t find it appealing?


Hopefully this offered at least a little insight into what PS was like a few years back and maybe even sparks a few ideas. It is by no means a comprehensive list just what I remember and enjoyed.

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #81 on: May 29, 2010, 02:04:57 am »
1. it's called being an example

2. goes to show you were lying or following false information

3. you're calling me ignorant now? then you're being disingenuous. once again.

4. the smileys are irritating, and i'm sure there's a limit to how many you may use, but continue if it gives you pleasure.

5. commenting is not commitment. if a veteran whines about the current state of affairs in a war, that is not commitment. if he had commitment, he would be out there fighting for his country. capice?

6. i like to waste time. don't you?

7. woman, i am handicapped. i cannot read anything thoroughly. this is why your walls of text piss me off lol.

8. how the hell am i taking away your rights? you don't even have rights on this website, for one. two, i am not preventing you from posting by holding a gun to your head. are you serious?

@marqsaynt, i was in a duelling party just a couple days ago
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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #82 on: May 29, 2010, 02:21:33 am »
I forgot about the weddings! :woot: Maybe that's because I missed so many of them. Yeah, more things got turned into events I guess. As for the Harn thing, yeah no one would realistically hang out there but I'd rather people be less realistic and hang out in large groups than be realistic and sit in silence with each other at the tavern. I remember thinking it was a bad move to run off the RPers from the smithy back when it happened. No other place stepped up to fill that niche. And on the note of HAGS, I guess you are more of an oldbie than me. I never knew about the HAGS. ;D But in my defense, I didn't really interact with other players for like the first two years I played. I had a hard enough time trying not to die from fall damage.... I spent a lot of time in the DR... X-/

Picnics were also way more common. You picked up one of the 5 in game food items and found an empty spot to lay out the ulber fur picnic blankey. Then you talked and waited till some newb ran up behind you and snatched it and the food right from up under you. Ah the memories of fussing and complaining about it.  ;D Hmm... I need to go back myself and see what else we used to do that I forgot about.



@Sarra: To put it plainly you're just fussing for fussing sake, please do that somewhere else as I don't feel like getting you some milk and cookies and putting you down for a nap. And to pull out a quote:

Quote from: Inigo Montoya
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I assure you I am being quite genuine in what I say. I am also being patronizing. if you aren't in a position to actually do something about my talking about RP, I think I'll just ignore you and keep on with my discussion. If it truly bothers you though, feel free to take little gray rain clouds elsewhere.

Added as an afterthought: Even though you are technically trolling my thread, I will, against my inclination, offer one last olive branch before I give up entirely on being nice about this. My wall of text was mean for people in general, not you specifically. If you would contribute something useful to the thread instead of being a pain in the read, I might just go ahead and condense everything down for you. However, I don't go out of my way for pests. Try being a productive contributing member of the discussion.
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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #83 on: May 29, 2010, 02:57:02 am »
if you cannot speak like an adult and can acknowledge that you are being patronising, i don't see a point to discussing anything with you. this is a lost cause. it could be that we come from entirely different backgrounds. i have no clue what you have against me, illysia, but skirting around my points is offending. maybe you're too damn dense. that's what your responses to me and other players show. i think you're just playing ignorance. hence being disingenuous.

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #84 on: May 29, 2010, 03:19:27 am »
I am also being patronizing.

Your argument, as usual, is invalid. It's not skirting, you skipped it. That being said, since you aren't even going to try to contribute productively, nevermind my offer. Here let me point it out for you since you can't be bothered to try to read a post thoroughly enough.

Added as an afterthought: Even though you are technically trolling my thread, I will, against my inclination, offer one last olive branch before I give up entirely on being nice about this. My wall of text was mean for people in general, not you specifically. If you would contribute something useful to the thread instead of being a pain in the read, I might just go ahead and condense everything down for you. However, I don't go out of my way for pests. Try being a productive contributing member of the discussion.


« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 03:26:05 am by Illysia »

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #85 on: May 29, 2010, 03:58:12 am »
do you know what that word means?

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #86 on: May 29, 2010, 04:08:02 am »
Lacking candor or not being genuine.... Sarras go bug someone else please. The topic has derailed enough. And for the record, the internet is full of dictionaries, even if you use a word I don't know, some people have the good sense to take a few extra minutes to look the word up before posting. Try thinking a minute or two before you post, you might find it a refreshing change. And if you keep trolling here I will just ignore you.

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2010, 05:30:58 am »
I'm going to start off my well-structured classic Planeshift forum argument post with the cliche use of "honestly" and "frankly". (Just so you guys know)

Honestly, I cannot begin to...

Frankly, this is complete bul...

Anyway, back on topic for me.

1) The people who taught me role play (Gwinn, Eid, Indygo..err, some other people I cant recall...) used dueling far more than role play fighting from what I remember. Dueling is exciting and adds to the fun of the game. RP fighting is usually scripted whether you realize it or not, and it takes a long damn time for it to finish that it ends up with people ending it quickly (with a bad or unsound ending).

2) I don't have a list of points, crap, then why did I make numbers with parentheses?

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #88 on: May 29, 2010, 05:40:00 am »
Sarras, don't make me log in as Rigwyn and hunt you down   X-/

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Re: Do you or Don't you care?
« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2010, 06:33:32 am »
Dueling is exciting and adds to the fun of the game. RP fighting is usually scripted whether you realize it or not, and it takes a long damn time for it to finish that it ends up with people ending it quickly (with a bad or unsound ending).

Dueling is nice, it's way more efficient than RP fighting. But I usually can do with out either myself. I don't think people do much of either too much now. Most people seem to just hunt mobs. I don't know, though, if there have been any recent tournaments that I might have missed. I can see the place for both types of fights, but I just think there needs to be a pretty good reason for it... Other than I'm bored let's duel.