A wedding and a lot of funerals - almost...

[Elady]

Sorry I'm having a hard time seeing the attack at the wedding as involving any RP. Heolion was the first killed. Nothing was said to her in advance and from what she said she was busy with another character at the time so she was basically afk at the time she was killed.  Boy that sure sounds like fun fun fun. Sounds like Sabriel had no idea what was going on before he got killed. Again I have a hard time seeing the fun for either side in such a killing. I guess at least Mordaan at least got to do something before he got killed it sounds like.

And yes if you are going to be the bad guy in that situation you should probably turn on auto accept for challenges since as was pointed out in that situation you don't really get to pick and choose who is going to jump you for what you are doing.  I guess if more people knew about the group challenge thing they could have ganged up on the baddies. Just seems like if you want to do something like this at an event you should consult the people putting on the event ahead of time. Not drop a tell in the middle of the event  saying someone might get killed 5 minutes before the killing starts.

[DarkraTantellion]

Doesn't matter if it is a group RP. If I was running an event, I would be pissed off if people started dying in the middle of it (and also, I wonder what kind of RP is, killing random people at a marriage). I do believe that if this game is supposed to be fun, these things should be agreed before the event.

Now, I wasn't present, but things like this are getting common, and I don't like it at all. Not only people get killed without knowing, but there aren't even valid RP reasons for it. Harassment with a RP mask, this is.

Why must there be a reason for everything? How would you know they did not have a reason for doing what they did? What if they had mental illness in game? What about in real life, you would not know if someone was coming out to kill you? Frankly, I think that surprise and mystery will help spice up this game. I mean, hey, you can't have a boring game where you just say, this event will have a few killings, this event will not turn out well, this event... Blah ... Blah Blah. Know the risk in the event, you go out to a huge wedding, they didn't hire any security guards, there are sure to be murderers and lurkers around. I'm sorry, but you can't have a perfect game exactly how you planned it, there will be a few twists and turns - whether it be a huge twist or a small one.

And yes if you are going to be the bad guy in that situation you should probably turn on auto accept for challenges

I agree with this.
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I see that the reason why there is not many 'Baddies' left in this game is because of the whining involved with the job. I

[Roled]

I wrote this post, and then found this thread had already started. So instead of starting a new thread, I will add it here.
RR
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An Unpleasant Departure
First, before I get to the unpleasant gist of this post, let me thank everyone who participated so generously in the wedding role play: Elady, Dragonis, Barike, Monala, Lattia, Teshia, Dannae, Baruden, Onilise, Erelenga, Realito, Leraider, and many others, please forgive me for not mentioning each of you by name. Please accept my grateful thanks for your presence with me these past 3 years, participating in this extraordinary community experiment called PlaneShift. Thank you for teaching me about role playing, and for spending such enjoyable, creative time in collaborative play over the past years.

Now, the unpleasantness. Roled and Lattia were role playing their wedding, with guests and friends. During the beginning of the ceremony, certain people arrived, and there was commentary from the guests noticing these known killer characters, and reacting to their presence. Roled and Lattia arrived at the midst of their wedding ceremony, having reached the moment when they kiss and are pronounced as wedded. At that moment, these killer characters attacked other characters attending the wedding. Mayhem ensued, the rest of the ceremony was left unfinished, ICly we couldn’t proceed. Then in rl I had to leave for work.
It was disruptive, unasked for, not agreed to, and all in all, as disrespectful an interruption as I’ve experienced ever in game.

The wedding role play had begun, and Roled received an OOC a [Tell] from the apparent instigator, that said “(15:34:03) [Tell] Kisoji tells you: So, a certain number of people may have a few people sitting in a group reasdy to be slain.” Followed by (15:34:29) [Tell] Kisoji tells you: (But we'll wait til after you're married to show up).  In the middle of my role play, I answered quickly, (15:34:45) [Tell] You tell Kisoji: ummm would ye mind waiting til we'er married- then let the slaying begin.

I was not asked if it would be alright with me if this group of killers intervened, nor did I had any knowledge of this apparently planned disruption until our event had already started. My response was meant to ask the perpetrator NOT to do anything during our ceremony. The disrupters not only started their attacks during the ceremony, but also disrupted the guests throughout the ceremony.

Why did I add, “then let the slaying begin” at the end of my response? Shoot I wish I hadn’t. I was distracted ICly, heck, Roled was in the middle of getting married! OOCly, I don’t think one player has the right to intervene on another’s rp plans - it’s not up to me to stop other people slashing and hacking.

But what I want to make very clear is that I did not know beforehand, and certainly DID NOT AGREE to accept this carnage in the middle of what was supposed to be the happiest moment of Roled’s IC life.

People who were involved in the wedding role play also knew that OOCly I am now unable to participate in PS until the next school break, which will be Christmas. So OOCly our friends knew that this was a kind of swansong for Roled and for Lattia, from the game, and for me in real life. Now I am not inclined to return to the game at all.

To be accosted, attacked without agreement, in a planned wedding role play, was extremely offensive and frankly, boorish. I suppose, like Roled, I am a bit naïve about players who derive pleasure from disrupting other players’ immersive fun in game. This hijacking took me by surprise.

I know it’s just a game, but, I have to admit I am OOCly hurt, and very disappointed in the people who thought it would be fun to ruin this event.

So, to my friends, goodbye, and thank you again for being the creative, generous people and players that you are.

Here is the interchange from my log, when I found out that there was some attack planned for our wedding role play.

 (15:33:42) Elady says: We gather here in this place today to celebrate the love of Lattia and Roled and to share in their happpiness
(15:33:50) Lattia takes Roled's hand in his own, reaching over to delicately pick a bit of rat furr off his cuff.
(15:34:03) [Tell] Kisoji tells you: So, a certain number of people may have a few people sitting in a group reasdy to be slain.
(15:34:08) [Tell] Kisoji tells you: ( )
(15:34:10) Roled looks at Lattia and mouths "Thankee"
(15:34:17) >Erelenga Karal stands up.
(15:34:19) >Erelenga Karal takes a seat.
(15:34:29) [Tell] Kisoji tells you: (But we'll wait til after you're married to show up)
(15:34:35) Lattia winks once, a half smirk curving his lips.
(15:34:36) Elady says: Before we start with the formal ceremony Roloed and I would like to share a xhant to Xiosia written by a good friend who couldn't be here with us today, Siteya.
(15:34:41) >Erelenga Karal greets Monala Colleler.
(15:34:43) >Erelenga Karal salutes Monala Colleler with respect.
(15:34:45) [Tell] You tell Kisoji: ummm would ye mind waiting til we'er married- then let the slaying begin
(15:34:50) [Tell] You tell Kisoji: thanks!
(15:34:56) Elady turns to Roled motioning him forward to start the chant.
(15:34:57) Onilise says: watches the colorful flowers lean in the breeze to Elady's words
(15:34:57) >Barike Cheshire takes a seat.
(15:34:59) [Tell] Kisoji (nods)
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Saddened by the violent ending to a fun three years, I leave you.
Roled Rolak
 

[Tessra]

Roled,
I am very, very, very sorry that your last RP in game didn't go as well as you wanted it to.  I tried through Lattia to make Roled the happiest elf in the Dome, and I thought that the roles played by Elady, Dragonis, Barike, Realito, Lilura and Erelenga were wonderful.

I suppose I come from a different line of RP background, in that the disruption didn't bother me.  But for your sake, I am saddened that it bothered you.  Please, don't let it give you bad memories of a game where you are very loved and treasured as a player.  Hard feelings ease in time, and you have many months to pursue real life enjoyments, and to consider whether you wish to return or not.  Please don't make that decision while hurt and upset.  It wouldn't be the same without the elf-boy.

[derula]

We should collect all those good roleplayers who have left the game over the years for partially similar reasons, who still like the general PS setting and the spirit of RP, but not so much the actual state of how things are at times, and make our own Yliakum - even if only in the form of a private, hidden forum somewhere.

[Talad]

Roled,
I understand you didn't like how things turned out during the wedding, I can surely see how it ruined the moment. At the same time, I want to mention that nothing is lost forever, you can just redo the wedding. People were not permanently killed, the spouse didn't run away with another fiancee, and after a trip to the death realm the guests are back, so the assassins didn't do any permanent damage, just temporary one. Just redo the event, this time hiring some guards and OOC avoid to join unknown group chats. IC you should start investigating why there has been such an attack and potentially some good stories and plot may come out of that. Meanwhile we will review this exploit and decide how to fix it.

[weltall]

*abuse* not exploit because the thing was used as designed the problem is people joining groups due to social engineering without asking why and without checking the situation.
I'd also add it's possible to leave the group anytime and the attack flag is immediately removed.
We will add additional informations if possible but everyone knows they will be ignored so I'd like to advise to prefer main for short ooc comments in brackets or use the channel feature for more extended ones. It's perfectly possible to broadcast that channel ooc-marriage is the channel to join for that use and people can do /join ooc-marriage then use /2 to talk or part the gossip channel and use it like the gossip channel. Always accept requests only from trusted sources!
Now for the marriage thing I would have expected better from all the ones involved. Seriously teshia how could you not inform roled when you were his supposed going to be married person ic? And the others should really think two times before doing this mess because even though things can be redone this is not exactly well accepted by the community and enforcing it is not nice at all. It's not the first time some people were told that these are bad ideas. I hope you'll be able to go through this roled, don't let some people distrupt your joy.

[Catlemur]

IC'ly the slayers must be found and killed.
OOC ban for 3 days to the slayers.
@Roled it is disturbing but this is just a game!

[jenideandre]

"And the others should really think two times before doing this mess because even though things can be redone this is not exactly well accepted by the community and enforcing it is not nice at all."

Perfectly said, weltall.  There are few true rpers who would welcome such a disruption to their plot.  A mass slaying is just stupid, it's not even a clever evil disruption.  Smart bad guys are hard to find, indeed.  And anyone under the crystal who knows Roled even a tiny bit, knows it is the last wedding that should be disrupted like this, he is the most peaceful respectful fellow.

Roled, from the Lady Goddess Karenina, I use that title because I still keep the book you wrote a note to me on, and you gave me that title like an imp    I want to say that I'm sorry it happened as it did, I wish it had been like the other rp weddings I've read about in the forums and also there was a video of one too, I think Phineas getting hitched...anyway, there was a lot of potential for darlingness and I'm sorry it got ruined.  I loved the sweet invitations to everyone.  And I think that without any mechanics abuses, then the stupid evils will be ignored as they should be.

That's all, just to say that you are a wonderful one, and I'm sorry it happened as it did.

EDIT:  And again by weltall, " I hope you'll be able to go through this roled, don't let some people distrupt your joy."  Don't let some people disrupt your joy 

[BoevenF]

From my point of view, the killing should have started after the cerimony, during the refreshments. In this way the events could have stretched the plot forward, and more chatting please, not everyone knows who the hell is Kisoji.
It was interesting noticing how Caraick and Tess reacted. Why not waiting a little more? What line of events a player should have followed, when Roled was still speaking?
Why Onilise has been killed, at first? Certainly there must be a reason IG...
I assume you all are aware that it's mostly impossible to read all the collaborative stories, or the single ones, or perhaps someone is even uninterested. If there are reasons written somewhere, share the knowledge with other players, stating [more info on events just happened in Topic xyz]. The fun is also, at least for me, figuring how the event was conceived. This teach me how to RP.
If there are no reasons ...
Hey, it was fun, only timings were a bit much superimposed.
My two cents.
@Roled, now you have to roleplay a stunning episode , like only you can do. See you soon IG.

PS: I have logs until around 2:30am GMT, when my connection is gone. I'd like to read the rest.

[Catlemur]

Today I greeted Ksoji IC'ly he replyied with a shut the f*ck up.
Then he said on gossip that from now on the platinum mines belong to his guild and we must pay taxes in order to mine.

[Soloyos]

Dont worry i killed Irec and Aensor cause of the plat mines, im hunting Kisoji down now 

[Soloyos]

Just killed Kisoji and Kolela now but they still think they control it

[Mordaan]

Really, the problem here is that it seemed random and pointless.  There was no story behind it, no reason.  Unless I missed something in the time it took me to return from the DR, it didn't really seem to be an RP.  Just disrupting for the sake of disrupting.  In other words, PK'ing.  Had there been a developed story around it, it would have been a little more acceptable.

@Roled: I hope some time away soothes your disappointment.  I hope you will still drop in again when you have time.  Though it's not easy, a rule of thumb I always try to go by is not letting the actions of others determine whether you go or stay.  I certainly hope this doesn't mean I never get to see Sir Roled again...at least not for this reason.      Hang tough, Roled.   

[weltall]

i've added an additional message in the join dialog. challenge while joined was already broadcasted in groupchat