A Gossip Channel Conversation

[Sulaika]

Thanks to Rigwyn for the line up how to rp a evil char 

To Magitex, I believe he has another or shall I say wrong understanding of IC rp. I have been at a similar point in the beginning and only with more explanation and rping with experienced rper's I was able to truly understand what rp really means. Sometimes I also had exchange in rl with ps people about how things were being handled, especially almost same situation we had before. Perhaps Magitex needs more investigation to understand what is ooc, what ic...it wont come down on his mind in one day. He may need more time to understand. I am willing to investigate in explanations for this for Magitex. And I agree that Magitex got off easy. Magitex if you steal a key in a guildhouse, you need to give a hint to the character in any way to let the character be able to respond to it.

[LigH]

@ Mouli:

Yes, indeed. But I once meant a quite different context...

[Sen]

Discussable robberies repeatedly lead to bad atmosphere amoung players and get discussed lengthy with repeating points.

I suggest a little addition to the rules concerning robberies for easier handling in future.

[Cairn]

Discussable robberies repeatedly lead to bad atmosphere amoung players and get discussed lengthy with repeating points.

I suggest a little addition to the rules concerning robberies for easier handling in future.

Seconded. When good ol' common sense just can't handle it, may as well make sure that it's put in stone.

[Garris Shrike]

This basic concept happened to me as well (replace Magitex with Garris), so I understand both sides of the feelers/story.

Basically, Magitex, you honestly just need to be completely sure you're separating In-Character as far away from Out-Of-Character as possible.

Then, follow Rigwyn's advice - make sure your actions are fun for everyone. This can turn into an incredibly narcissistic game otherwise. I've been there. People hate you as a result. Get dirt on yourself, don't be afraid.

Lastly, be willing to adapt and change.

Community-wise, you all need to be willing to give him a second chance. Based off of what the game-masters have decided, Magitex is worth it. You all need to give him that same benefit of the doubt.

Shunning is never ok.

[WrennB]

Magitex logic is quite flawed, as I’m sure most of us agree.
He says he stole the stuff fairly and IC, and should get off scot-free. But in the RL world, when you steal stuff, you end up in jail, which is where he is now. IC action, IC consequence. Sounds good to me.
Magitex further asserts that because no one saw him steal the stuff, there is no IC proof. I’ve never seen Jemima chase anyone’s tail, but I’m quite sure she is a tail-chaser. It’s called RP for a reason.
About my stolen items: I got back the two most important items. I hope the rest of the stuff  can be replaced through further game-play, which isn’t a bad thing. I do wonder, however, if there were items that can only be bestowed through quests and if those quests are repeatable. I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Someone wondered how long I’ve been playing PS. The Wrenn Bombadill char was created 11.01.2010. It’s true: I don’t particularly enjoy RP. I do enjoy “leveling.” Think of it as “Protestant Work Ethic.”

I’ve already taken all of my stuff out of the guildhouse.

Much thanks to Mishka and the other guards/GMs/DEVs for all their help. And thanks to all the people  who have offered to help replace stolen items. Additionally my deepest apologizies for my role in this mess.

*Edited for typos

[cdmoreland]

Wrenn, it was the fact that you reported your lose to the guards that lead to them discovering his theft from the RCD. Whenever a thief sells something to a merchant he runs the risk of discovery, whether in rp or rl.

[Illysia]

Wow.... I see a lot I agree with in terms of criticism, but I'm torn between shaking my head and laughing on this one. This is worth not lurking though.

Having been in the position of getting robbed like that my sympathy is with the people robbed; however, being that I am on the other side of that experience, I do know that you will get over the hurt feelings and may even find ways to restore lost RP items that cannot simply be looted. I lost some of my handwritten poetry books, from before you could load text to books, but fortunately other players had copies; I even got back the book that only had one copy. I also know that people in Magitex's position can learn and do better in time since one of the players still floating around here now was involved in the robbing of my guild house and other RP scandals using the same bad RP reasoning and now they seem to be functioning fine from what I can see on the forum.


One sentence version of the thread: The key is to compromise and RP in a way that doesn't destroy another player's ability to enjoy the game.

Even if you haven't done wrong, try to find a way to share enjoyment like Rig has said.

[Pierre]

He says he stole the stuff fairly and IC, and should get off scot-free. But in the RL world, when you steal stuff, you end up in jail, which is where he is now. IC action, IC consequence. Sounds good to me.

And me.  Wrenn, your post is excellent, seriously good attitude.  Again, huge props to our GMs and team for RPing this thing out, Sarko, Taya et al., much appreciated.

Two things - first for Lumi, I think I was the only one amused (from the gossip chat when I logged in), most people were pretty mad, so direct your irritation to me because I deserve it.  [EDIT:  And to be honest, it looks like I was wrong - because if it's a RP theft on a massive scale, then the player would have been absolutely willing to go along with the fact that the Gug smithy would spill the beans when questioned by government officials.  It's a continuation of the RP and involves many, enhances the immersion factor of the game by a factor of a million.]

Second, I don't know about this shunning thing....I think that if a player has really pissed off a lot of people it is completely acceptable for the /ignore command to be used.  Not everyone is going to shun him anyway, but it's a lesson if most chars don't talk to you IG, that you're not playing in a way that enhances the game.  Fair play.

Most important to me is the outline of the RP as given by Taya.  All well thought out, well played, consistent with settings.  Love it, glad for it.

Great thread, cheers all 

[MishkaL1138]

Community-wise, you all need to be willing to give him a second chance. Based off of what the game-masters have decided, Magitex is worth it. You all need to give him that same benefit of the doubt.

Shunning is never ok.

Except when he is a troll. Which I suspect he is.

[Rigwyn]

Belief versus knowledge?

[Lumi]

  Still on about, was he sincerely RP-ing or not ? Gosh !
If you already was around him more then 5 minutes then you have your answer. Him beeing nice or not makes no difference.

[Sarko]

here is what really happened into the RcD...
http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/warfrican/shot175_zps86b18521.jpg

[Cairn]

Thas' a huge dwarf!

[Karzela~]