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tygerwilde

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« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2003, 06:11:33 pm »
well, this got busy didn\'t it...

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the problem with not voting is that whenever you have any kind of complaint with the government, voters tell you that you should be voting for someone you believe in and that until you do, you have no right to talk bad about it....


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it\'s spelled facade, with a soft c :) hopefully that\'s helpful
however, I have to say that I agree more with xal and para here, most wars were started because of extremist conflicts. however, it wasn\'t nearly 90 percent, more like 65-70

remember, hitler believed earnestly that Jews killed crist, and he rallied his men against them

the two greates struggles of man are religion and territory in that order. learned that in sociology
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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2003, 07:50:01 pm »
tyger\'s right..

@para

If I was born the same person in a muslim country, I doubt that I would be hanging on to Islam... The very fact that my entire life philosophy is atheistic might have something to say in that matter...  :]

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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2003, 09:31:09 pm »
You really can\'t know. Your way of thinking is also influenced a lot by your parents, your culture etc. I\'m pretty sure everyone here would be muslim when they were born in the middle east, with muslim parents. If you grow up with the fact that Allah exist, you simply don\'t know better.

tygerwilde

In Africa alone hundreds of wars were and are waged for holy land and that kind of nonsense. In the midievals we\'ve had a LOT of wars. In the eastern part of the world were and are struggles over religion. Reasons for wars such as World War I and II are rare.
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2003, 10:35:40 pm »
para I\'ve given up trying to reason with fanatics a long time ago, and I can\'t recall how many times the argument you\'ve just given, was thrown in my face... My parents have influenced me, in a such a manner that I have chosen to totally abolish all religion

and giving the argument that I would have been a muslim if I lived in a muslim country, just doesn\'t make sense...

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« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2003, 10:47:10 pm »
Seriously? I think it\'s pretty logical. Especially in muslim countries. But it was just an example. I was just trying to make my point, that religious people aren\'t stupid or anything, but they usually just dont know better. I am not religious and, my parents aren\'t. I was just trying to make my point, that religious people aren\'t stupid or anything, but they usually just dont know better. That is called discussion :) I am no fanatic of anything, just of my own opinions about the world :)
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<Worf> These are the moments when my ego gets put back on the ground. I use linux for quite some time, and am soon 2 years maintainer of a linux distribution. I started to think I would be good at it. But then I tried to get planeshift running.

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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2003, 03:44:11 am »
fanatics are often of a lower IQ level than \"sane\" people... but generally I agree with you and say that religious people just don\'t know better...

but what I meant with \"it just doesn\'t make sense\" was that you can never know if I would behave differently if I was in another country with different values...

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« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2003, 06:14:11 am »
heh, I hear that about your raising...
a LOT of people say \"it\'s just how you were raised\" a lot of people seem to think that I\'m a druid because my family were druids and their family were druids, either that or my family didn\'t push religion on me enough, or something along that lines...

my family is made up of devout nazarenes and baptists(and yes, I know those are conflicting terms, we have arguments over it every thanksgiving and cristmas) when I was 13 I was born again. All that good gravy stuff... However, when I went to job corps, I looked at a few religious texts and realised that a lot of things in any writing in the christian faith contradicted themselves. How can a man respect his wife and have her subservient to him at the same time for example? and so I started reading every religious paper I came across, and the one that made the most sence to me was \"by oak ash and thorn\", I forget the author, but it was part of the lewellyn collection. in essence it was a textbook that explained the histories of the gaelics, the ways of the celtic shamans, natural order and balance.
I studied this for a while, and then found another book that drew it all into perspective for me, \"the 21 lessons of merlin.
I combined my knowledges of other religions with what I read about druidry and found my own middle ground, which is most largely based off of the druidic teachings
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2003, 01:02:18 am »
For some reason I can\'t quite put words on, I have the utmost respect for your choice in religion... maybe because it\'s different to christianity and other major religions, and has different, more peaceful, values than other religions...

all in all, I have all the more respect for smaller religions, that are in no way less than the major ones... quite the contrary IMO...

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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2003, 02:41:25 am »
Wow it sure did get busy here!
I am an atheist, and I agree with Xalthar,  tygerwildes choice of religion seems much more in tune with the natural order of things. Xalthar do you think the fact that religions such as Tygers aren\'t out recruiting like mad and accusing everyone else of being morally bankrupt and suggesting that non-believers are going to spend eternity in torture may have something to do with your respect for them?  I know that\'s what does it for me. :)

Tygerwylde, I have to agree with George Carlin on this one... He says if you voted for the SOB that made it in, you\'ve no right to complain. :)

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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2003, 05:48:17 am »
lol, carlins a smart man

anyway, sometimes I honestly believe that everyone should be required to read up on a number of religions and pass a competency test before they are allowed to publicly announce their religion, it would open  a lot of eyes I think...
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2003, 06:24:32 pm »
Yeah that is exactly one of the things that make me hate major religions...

People who defend their religions with all their might, and don\'t see that there is anything wrong with their belief... I hate those people, and It seems that I am surrounded by them, they are simply impossible to argue with, because everytime you have a good argument they find something extremely stupid to counter it in the bible... I\'m not giving any examples since I am just too tired to find them...

And I must say again that I have the utmost respect for smaller religions like tyger\'s...

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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2003, 07:05:07 pm »
\"People who defend their religions with all their might\"

hey man, I have to defend my religion every day...

christians just can\'t accept me for who and what I am...
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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2003, 01:35:36 am »
hmm... what I wanted to say was, people who defend Christianity with all their might, but remembered that I also hear a lot of stupid arguments from Muslims.. so I said religions.. didn\'t mean to pound you by saying so...

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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2003, 01:51:02 am »
no problem man, I think you mean those with mad-dog faith that they\'re right and everyone else in the world is wrong. those that can\'t force themselves to question what they beleive.

of course a covetous god like the christian god wouldn\'t want his lackeys to question him eh xal? ;)
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2003, 02:52:52 am »
Yeah that\'s exactly what I mean :D

nope, that\'s why they established rules that people who question him, burn in hell :P :P

well If hell really exists, which I know it doesn\'t, I\'m guessing that the majority of the human race is going to spend their afterlife there :D :P so, see you there, guys n\' gals :P