When you die

[Abemore]

And the discussion veers off...

Heh, religion. Don\'t get me started.

I must get you started, sashok.

Two things you said were contradictory: \"I don\'t believe in god,\" and, \"people who go to church to be forgiven ... are forgiven.\"
Tell me, how can people be forgiven if there is no God to forgive them?  Freud might say, your \"accidental\" intentional self-contradiction indicates that you\'re a closet monotheist (or closet Christan, if you like).

And how can you not believe in God?  How else can you explain life, existence, and the universe?  Maybe we are victims of randomness.  Maybe energy randomly formed matter in the big bang that is our universe.  Maybe life is also a coincidence... after all, it was only a matter of time, right?  Pretty good explanation, except for, what created the energy that started it all.  What created the first thing ever to exist?  The word \"first\" suggest time, maybe time was first to exist, assuming it existed simultaneously with existence.

This is a deep topic, but I\'m gonna stop right there and see what you have to say.

[sashok]

lol well I sure don\'t believe that God is responsible for creating this whole mess.  
Ok, don\'t get me started on universe too

As for religion, well, maybe you right, I did believe in God before more than I do now for unknown to myself reasons.  I just don\'t believe as much today. maybe due to the fact that I see science as a more logical explanation to everything than religion.

 To me the bible is a combination of wise advices, and funny stories, nothing more. Although I never read it, it is always recited everywhere, so I\'ve heard enough.

Oh and by the way, \"people who go to church to be forgiven ... are forgiven.\"  This is best example I could find.   maybe you are right, subconsiosly I am not happy about that

I myself am an unknown religion coming from weird roots, far from christian. anyway, hope this is not boring you

[Drilixer]

Originally posted by sashok20
Religion is good for the masses, but it\'s bad in terms of so much hate because of it.  Every religion thinks they are best.  They sound more like buisness men to me.

A quote from my uncle: \"Well ya know, there are alot of churches out there; someone\'s gotta be makin\' some money.\"

[seperot]

tis true how many wars where battles of belifes of the masses the crusades are a good exsample of this they used the slogan \"fight for cristianinty and have accsess to heavan\" or something like that anyway.

also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?

i am trying to not offend anyone so please dont take it the worng way......please?

[Keldorn]

Originally posted by seperot
also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?

That question has been asked so many times.
Here\'s what i\'ve been taught, if i believe it is something else.

Do you think God honestly wants to see all this suffering? Ofcourse not, but we brought all this suffering and war upon ourselves, it all started with that fruit.
We have our own free wills, we aren\'t puppets.

So why doesnt God intervene, you might ask? Many people think that God should help us out of this misery, they don\'t realise that we live in the time of mercy. God let\'s things go as they are supposed to go, he will eventually intervene but when he does it will be no half measures. People will complain again, that God is so harsh to us. Even when he intervenes and helps us it will not be good. Cause realise that everyone sins, if god would intervene, you think he would spare you? You are a sinner, we all are.
So be happy that he doesn\'t intervene in the mess we have created, if your heart does not belong to Jesus, you would not be spared.

[kcirbmab]

i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier

[Drilixer]

Originally posted by kcirbmab
i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier

yeah and then the two planets will go to war because hey... the French havnt won a war yet... they they have got to try again sometime!

[Abemore]

Originally posted by kcirbmab
i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier

lol

Originally posted by seperot
also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?

Because this is not heaven.
You use the phrase \"so much\".  Would you be happier if there were less?  God should intervene and reduce the bad things, but the bad things should still exist?  Is that what you want?  If so, how do you know God has not already intervened?  Maybe love and kindness would not exist at all without God\'s intervention.  
I also like Keldorn\'s free will comment.  Check out the film Bruce Almighty.  It\'s a fun one.

Originally posted by seperot
i am trying to not offend anyone so please dont take it the worng way......please?

You must not worry about offending people in a discussion such as this.  I don\'t.  Inevitably some people will be offended no matter what you say.  But rather than hold back, it\'s better to say what you think so we can get a broad range of input and knowledge.

[Abemore]

On a side note, I read somewhere that all stories of creation have 2 things in common: a flood, and separateness from a whole.  

I only know of christian teachings: Noah builds a great Ark to survive the flood, and Eve is created from part of Adam (separateness from whole).

Isn\'t that interesting?

[derwoodly]

Hah hah hah,

this post just keeps getting funnier.

Abe: FYI-- Moses parted the red sea, Noah built an Ark, and Indiana Jones was the main character in Raders of the lost Ark

[Abemore]

LOL, doh!

*edits post to try to look less stupid*

Love that Indiana Jones.